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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | . | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting RHo:
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Quote: You don't get out of it that easy - what about parsing? Chow/Yun/Fat...unless I know otherwise. Don't you know that Chow is his last name?
I know 'Chow' is his family name which, unless I have been mislead, comes first not last. Yes, 'Chow' is the family name, which is why his name is particularly confusing if the makers of this program need to come up with a 'universal' agreement to what his name should be. Normally, in the UK or America this would be reversed so he would be 'Yun-Fat Chow' but he is credited in most of his films in the west as 'Chow Yun-Fat' which is really the Hong Kong order! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 302 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote: ... but he is credited in most of his films in the west as 'Chow Yun-Fat' which is really the Hong Kong order! this has to do with respect, and that movie-credits are no excel-table | | | regards, Mad -
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
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Quote: You don't get out of it that easy - what about parsing? Chow/Yun/Fat...unless I know otherwise. Don't you know that Chow is his last name?
I know 'Chow' is his family name which, unless I have been mislead, comes first not last.
Yes, 'Chow' is the family name, which is why his name is particularly confusing if the makers of this program need to come up with a 'universal' agreement to what his name should be. Normally, in the UK or America this would be reversed so he would be 'Yun-Fat Chow' but he is credited in most of his films in the west as 'Chow Yun-Fat' which is really the Hong Kong order! Grey: We know all that, it has benen discused ad infinitum. We knew it when the Rules were written. But as I noted the objective as the Rules describe very clearly is to capture the data as it appears On Screen, not as you want it toi be, wish it to be, imagine it to be or anything else. AS itappears On Sceen. Mad, respect, give me a break. You know Mad, I try to be reasonable and come up with an answer, then you make this ridiculous comment. Leave the cultural pride out of it, it has to do with the film credits PERIOD. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Don't you know that Chow is his last name? I know 'Chow' is his family name which, unless I have been mislead, comes first not last. Last time I have checked my dictionary, family name, last name, and surname were synonyms. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting myself: Quote: Parse the name into the three pieces which match the given fields (first name, middle name, last name). Use the credited as field if necessary. Applying the above to this case, I would say, depending on the actual credit found, one of the following variants should be used: Yun-Fat//Chow Yun-Fat//Chow [Yun Fat Chow] Yun-Fat//Chow [Chow Yun-Fat] Yun-Fat//Chow [Chow Yun Fat] | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
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Quote: You don't get out of it that easy - what about parsing? Chow/Yun/Fat...unless I know otherwise. Don't you know that Chow is his last name? Problem is, how would you know that "Chow Yun-Fat" stands for Yun-Fat // Chow but "Anita Mui" stays Anita // Mui ? | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: you all making to much out of it: the first part of the credit go's in the first field (first name) the lastst part of the credit go's in the last field (last name) middle part of the name go's in the middle field (middle name) (unless indicated otherwise)
please do note: the fields have no label as given name, sir name, family name, ...
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If they didn't have labels, we wouldn't have all the problems we have with Chinese names. The trouble is that those fields do have labels, and those labels have meanings. Therefore, users will look for the "Last Name", which is a namesake for "Family Name" in Western culture, but not if applied to Chinese names! Therefore a huge headache! Having said that, I think there is no other way that entering credits in the same order as they are on screen, unless we want to go crazy! | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Problem is, how would you know that "Chow Yun-Fat" stands for Yun-Fat // Chow but "Anita Mui" stays Anita // Mui ? There is more. According to IMDb, Mr. Chow was "Credited as Chow Anderson in the Philippines in his earlier films." | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote: y [...] You all know you can by default reverse the display of the names in the dvd profiler menu: Tools: Options: Defaults? In the Actor Name Format: [...] A "Chinese name" check box in order to reverse the display only for Chinese names (if you want to) might be useful. | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 374 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Chow/Yun/Fat...unless I know otherwise. I'm afraid there are no middle names in Chinese. |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting sugarjoe: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
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Chow/Yun/Fat...unless I know otherwise.
I'm afraid there are no middle names in Chinese. Neither in many other parts of the world. | | | -- Enry | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote: Quoting sugarjoe:
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Chow/Yun/Fat...unless I know otherwise.
I'm afraid there are no middle names in Chinese.
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