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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | "?" is a credit for an actor and it's a perfect use for Credited As. I think it's a dangerous precedent to declare that no one is credited since the credit looks odd. Quoting Lewpy: Quote: Now for something silly .... If another movie used "?", how would we differentiate between the entries? BY? It's not silly at all and actually points to the flaw of using "?" as a name. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting ninehours:
Quote: Anthony Dawson [?] as Ernst Blofeld Eric Pohlmann [?] as Ernst Blofeld (voice) Actually, thinking about it, I would go for this option. After all, they are jointly credited for the role, it's just they are credited as "?". It seems a perfectly reasonable use for "credited as" to me. Really, the only time we should use "uncredited" is if there was no credit for "Ernst Blofeld" at all. It's a very similar situation in "Bride of Frankenstein" where, as well as a normal credit for playing Mary Shelley, Elsa Lanchester gets a "?" credit for playing the Bride.
PS My big book of Bond also informs me they did the same thing in Thunderball, but I don't have my copy to hand to check the actual credits. Where is Eric Pohlmann or Anthony Dawson credited in this film, I have never seen his name in this list. The ACTUAL actor credited is ?...neither actor is (uncredited) with the role, and there is ONLY ONE ? credit for Blofeld. That logic doesn't follow north. At least one of thenm would have to be (uncredited), and that is why I believe the best option remains to list BOTH as they are (uncredited), one with (voice) and I cross them to the ?, not to Blofeld. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: "?" is a credit for an actor and it's a perfect use for Credited As. I think it's a dangerous precedent to declare that no one is credited since the credit looks odd.
Quoting Lewpy:
Quote: Now for something silly .... If another movie used "?", how would we differentiate between the entries? BY? It's not silly at all and actually points to the flaw of using "?" as a name. That's why I cross ref the two to the ? instead of the Role directly, James. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: July 7, 2007 | Posts: 284 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: I treat is as (uncredited) here, which is the way i think it should be done, and nobody is going to change that, no matter what goes with the Online. I can understand the logic for either approach, but (uncredited) seems to make more sense, because after all he ISN'T Credited is he.
Skip Agreed, From the credits you show it is impossible to imply one of the two actors are to be substituted for the ?. Therefore they should stay uncredited as is. This awkward credit is quite useless and really...well, awkward | | | My DVD's
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Where is Eric Pohlmann or Anthony Dawson credited in this film, I have never seen his name in this list. The ACTUAL actor credited is ?...neither actor is (uncredited) with the role, and there is ONLY ONE ? credit for Blofeld. That logic doesn't follow north. At least one of thenm would have to be (uncredited), and that is why I believe the best option remains to list BOTH as they are (uncredited), one with (voice) and I cross them to the ?, not to Blofeld.
Skip Anthony Dawson is credited as "?" in the end credits, jointly with Eric Pohlmann. It's no different from the Coen brothers being jointly credited as "Roderick Jaynes" for editing. Simply we can't use uncredited because there is a credit. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Where is Eric Pohlmann or Anthony Dawson credited in this film, I have never seen his name in this list. The ACTUAL actor credited is ?... Where is Robin Williams credited in Shakes the Clown? As Marty Fromage. That's the situation with every Credited As where the person is credited by a name other than their own. Northbloke's example for the Coen Brothers is a perfect example. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting lyonsden5:
Quote: I believe Frankenstein Monster is credited as "?" as well in "Frankenstein". Could be wrong about the movie but it's one of the monster legacy movies. Boris Karloff is the actual actor (I think ) He was credited as "?" in the opening credits, however the end credits list his name so for Profiler he can be listed as normal. Thanks for the clarification |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: Where is Eric Pohlmann or Anthony Dawson credited in this film, I have never seen his name in this list. The ACTUAL actor credited is ?...neither actor is (uncredited) with the role, and there is ONLY ONE ? credit for Blofeld. That logic doesn't follow north. At least one of thenm would have to be (uncredited), and that is why I believe the best option remains to list BOTH as they are (uncredited), one with (voice) and I cross them to the ?, not to Blofeld.
Skip Anthony Dawson is credited as "?" in the end credits, jointly with Eric Pohlmann. It's no different from the Coen brothers being jointly credited as "Roderick Jaynes" for editing. Simply we can't use uncredited because there is a credit. Show me the On Screen credit to back up your claim, north,. You can't because it is fiction, they are (uncredited). Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Show me the On Screen credit to back up your claim, north,. You can't because it is fiction, they are (uncredited).
Skip I can see it quite clearly on the screen grab ninehours kindly posted: "Ernst Blofeld ?". |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | But no actor names accompany that because they are not credited.
Now as i sid I can see both sides of the argument which why I would ot vote against either interpretation. But, to put it as simply as I can, I don't buy into your logic, which is why I do it the way i described and that is the way it will be here PERIOD. While I can see the argument, i don't buy it. So I use the logic that makes the most sense to me.
But for you to try and argue that the two gentlemn are credited is just plain silly. Come up with a different argument, amigo., because that dog don't hunt.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Why should it not be classed as a credit simply because they've used a "?" instead of something that looks more like a name? That's your personal opinion, nothing to do with the actual on screen data. There is a credit for "Ernst Blofeld", the film-makers chose to identify that credit with a "?". Ninehours has provided documentation to show who the "?" was meant to signify, therefore it's a perfect use for "credited as". Just the same as Robin Williams [Marty Fromage], Joel & Ethan Coen [Roderick Jaynes] and Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum]! |
| Registered: June 5, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 93 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Just the same as Robin Williams [Marty Fromage], Joel & Ethan Coen [Roderick Jaynes] and Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum]! And the Kill Bill credits of "Q & U" being Quentin Tarantino [Q] and Uma Thurman [U] | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Excellent example, thanks Lewpy! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | North: . What is it that is hard for you to comprehend. I have fairly clearly delineated my OPINION, and called it everything BUT my opinion. You are expressing YOUR opinion, which in my analysis is nothing more than a figment of your imagination, it is NOT based in reality or anything that has to do with the data as it is ACTUALLY presented On Screen, which is what I deal with. My imagination has no place here, nor does yours or anyone else's. I EVEN specifically stated that I would nnot vote NO to either interpretation, though your imagination is NOT what will prevail here, and you are free to use whatever interpretation you wish there as well. I am not buying your pig in a poke theory. It will be done here the way the way that makes the most logical sense to me. Thank you. All this will do is result in another stupid battle to which there is no answer...OKAY. You are NOT going to persuade that your logic is the BEST way to handle it, and I may not convince you that mine is best, but we can both do what we want...right. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: Just the same as Robin Williams [Marty Fromage], Joel & Ethan Coen [Roderick Jaynes] and Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum]! And the Kill Bill credits of "Q & U" being Quentin Tarantino [Q] and Uma Thurman [U] Except for one small problem, Lewpy. We can't do (uncredited) in Crew data. So you have brought an apple to an orange discussion. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | And I may have to reconsider ny vote for Ninehours. If I were to offer any criticism o to him on it, it is that he is setting up a potential ping-pong game by replacing one possible correct interpretation with his PREFERENCE, this is not a Contribution I would make.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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