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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wanna play!
Now take into consideration actresses - their names have a tendacy to change once they get married. Even more so for child actresses. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | When the Dark Night came out in Norway I checked the "common" name for Tommy "Tiny" Lister credited as Tommy Tiny Lister and used only those two entries as I did't know of any other names for him before this thread, not beeing a film guru. Havent seen Kens clarification when this thread came up I thought it would be best to let the actor decide them selves if it could be clarified, and presume that in the most cases this also is the most common credit as the actor want this them selves. (as I didnt know of all this variations)  Maybe it should be as some mentioned in an old thread that everybody should be entered as seen and thats it, and I ceep my intern lookup links lokal... See that more and more profiles are done this way, with what you see is what you enter - espessially with large contributions and full audits they call it I have seen this. | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Unicus is exactly right... Ken was very clear when he settled this before. He even stated he wouldn't even take their autograph as proof... as it is the most commonly credited name he is after. Are there a guideline to the rules where this thing (Ken's clarifications) are bundled up? | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
I wanna play!
Now take into consideration actresses - their names have a tendacy to change once they get married. Even more so for child actresses. This is very true... the names can change... multiple times. And that has come up every time this type of thing was asked. including before Ken's clarification. But he still chose to go with most commonly credited. Which means yes... the common name can change over time as well. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
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Unicus is exactly right... Ken was very clear when he settled this before. He even stated he wouldn't even take their autograph as proof... as it is the most commonly credited name he is after.
Are there a guideline to the rules where this thing (Ken's clarifications) are bundled up? Only Ken can decide to put things into the rules themselves (if he decides to)... until then he leaves it up to us to point those with questions to his clarification. Which Unicus already pointed to... and I will quote and link to it here as well.. Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
The lookup tool is not to be blindly trusted, however it does outweigh other sources, including autographs. The common name is not intended to always reflect the "real name", but the most commonly credited name.
However, if a user documents errors in the database where the credit is not entered properly, that can and should be considered. Better yet, correct the entries, assuming you own the discs in question, thereby correcting the lookup results. Bold by me.. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
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Don't forget:
Tommy "Tiny" Lister Jr.=4/14 (note the lack of space after Lister)
This is his Fifth Element credit
What lack of space after Lister? There IS a space there. Obviously the space is between my ears.  I meant to say note the lack of a comma. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! | | | | Last edited: by tweeter |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
I wanna play!
Now take into consideration actresses - their names have a tendacy to change once they get married. Even more so for child actresses. Not just actresses, either. Take Ricky Schroder. He started out as Ricky, then when he wanted people to know he had grown up and wasn't the little kid from "Silver Spoons" he changed it to "Rick" Schroder ("NYPD Blue" timeframe). Lately, however, he seems to have gone back to "Ricky" ("24" Timeline). | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
While you can use a 3rd party database to determine that it is the same person, you can NOT use a 3rd party database to determine the common name. Per Ken's instructions, and the rule, you must use the CLT for that information. Unless, of course, you can show that the CLT is wrong (does not contain "as credited" data)!  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Dr. Killpatient:
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I wanna play!
Now take into consideration actresses - their names have a tendacy to change once they get married. Even more so for child actresses.
This is very true... the names can change... multiple times. And that has come up every time this type of thing was asked. including before Ken's clarification. But he still chose to go with most commonly credited. Which means yes... the common name can change over time as well. Yup. Remember the 'Dee Wallace Stone' arguments of yesteryear, et al.?  | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
I agree, but that isn't the common name on DVDProfiler.  The rules state that we must use the common name on here. I just want to give  to GreyHulk. It is nice to see a new user trying to do things the right way instead of complaining that the rules don't make sense. Welcome to the jungle big guy.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should we scrap the Pinned: DVD Profiler "Credited As" Name Database link? Tommy / "Tiny" / Lister http://www.lopek.com/cndatabase/database.php?cni=lquote: Welcome to the "Credited as" name database. This site is not aiming to dictate which is the correct "name" to be used in the Invelos DVDProfiler database, but to be a reference for names that have been accepted by Invelos and/or agreed by a majority in the Invelos forum. It is pretty basic at the moment, but may develop in the future- see below. | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
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| Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 1,091 |
| | Posted: | | | | From the end credits, verified directly from DVD:
Tommy "Tiny" Lister Jr. - The Fifth Element (Superbit, R1 - UPC 043396075740)
"Tiny" Lister, Jr. - Universal Soldier (R4 - UPC 5050582438727) | | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) | | | | Last edited: by W0m6at |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting oleops: Quote:
Should we scrap the Pinned: DVD Profiler "Credited As" Name Database link?
Tommy / "Tiny" / Lister
http://www.lopek.com/cndatabase/database.php?cni=l
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Welcome to the "Credited as" name database.
This site is not aiming to dictate which is the correct "name" to be used in the Invelos DVDProfiler database, but to be a reference for names that have been accepted by Invelos and/or agreed by a majority in the Invelos forum. It is pretty basic at the moment, but may develop in the future- see below. Did you check the update on that same thread? in the first post?... Quote:
Update: May 8, 2008
The Working Guidelines for this database have changed. Originally, this was planned to help us determine which name is the correct name. Subsequent developments here at Invelos have been that we are to use the Credit Lookup Tool to determine the most-frequently credited name. That is what we have to use for the name. All other names will be "credited as" names.
You may find names in this database that differ from current Credit Lookup Tool results. If so, please post the discrepancy here and we'll update this database to reflect the proper most-credited name from the Credit Lookup Tool.
This database is useful to provide documentation for you to use when you make a contribution if you need to prove that 2 names are the same person. But as mentioned above, the Credit Lookup Tool determines which name to use.
Previous working guidelines are saved below for historical purposes only. They do not supercede the results of the Credit Lookup Tool:[/blockqoute] | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Posts: 700 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Did you check the update on that same thread? in the first post?...
Answer NO didnt see the text in green, went directly to the base as usual.. It can be used to see witch names to be checked for then, as it has a base of other names for the same actor. | | | | We are all at the same age, only at different time... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since it looks like most of us are asleep at the switch. let me state this more clearly. 'Tiny" is not a Common Name, I have not a SINGLE film with a credit of 'Tiny', I have lots of credits for "Tiny". can anyone tell me why 'Tiny' is more than likely NOT a correct common name. I can tell you but...I am not the one who is asleep at the switch.
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | I still can't get over how the 3.x Profiler cannot do primary keys like 99% of every other database program. I cannot help but ask myself why this is coded to use a "common name" as the actual primary key rather than a generated hash. Talk about a needless mess of colossal proportions. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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