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| Registered: June 3, 2007 |  Posts: 333 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Even with a crappy forum search there's no need to start a new thread. Google is a pretty decent alternative. Just preface your search terms with "site:invelos.com"
KM That works somewhat, but not being able reliably filter by forum makes the results much more difficult to use. Frankly it's painful. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dav4is: Quote:
Some of you guys seem to have got it into your heads that if there is a way -- any way at all -- of accomplishing something in DVDP, any proposal of a different way to do it is "invalid".
Rubbish, I say.
There can be no invalid proposals.
There may be good proposals and bad proposals for various technical reasons, but no invalid ones.
A proposal is not bad just because there are other ways to do it.
Every proposal must be considered only on its technical merits.
How else are we to improve the product? I agree with you. Keep posting your suggestions. It's important to know what new people think too. For those of us who post here on a regular basis, we can anticipate the response that most of us will give to any given topic. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since you seem to enjoy feature requests  , perhaps you can change your tactics a bit and satisfy everyone. At the old site we had one thread which kept track of all the feature requests. There's something similar right now in the beta forum tracking all the various bug reports and Ken has found it very helpful. So if you really like digging your teeth into this type of thing, why not do that instead? I'm sure we'd all appreciate having a single sticky thread that tracked all the various feature requests. It would help with new people such as yourself so they could see what's already been asked for and what hasn't. And if it had links to the discussion threads, that would be even more helpful and it would still make it easy to see which threads get revived over and over to gauge interest. Sounds like a win-win thing to me.  | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
I agree with you. Keep posting your suggestions. It's important to know what new people think too. For those of us who post here on a regular basis, we can anticipate the response that most of us will give to any given topic. I knew you were going to say that  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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I agree with you. Keep posting your suggestions. It's important to know what new people think too. For those of us who post here on a regular basis, we can anticipate the response that most of us will give to any given topic.
I knew you were going to say that | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Snark: Quote:
Quoting Astrakan:
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Even with a crappy forum search there's no need to start a new thread. Google is a pretty decent alternative. Just preface your search terms with "site:invelos.com"
KM
That works somewhat, but not being able reliably filter by forum makes the results much more difficult to use. Frankly it's painful. Oh, sure, I agree with you. And if one can't find a thread within a couple of pages of Google returns I think it's perfectly fair to start a new thread. Just saying there's alternative to the forum search that should be explored.  KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Since you seem to enjoy feature requests , perhaps you can change your tactics a bit and satisfy everyone. At the old site we had one thread which kept track of all the feature requests. There's something similar right now in the beta forum tracking all the various bug reports and Ken has found it very helpful.
So if you really like digging your teeth into this type of thing, why not do that instead? I'm sure we'd all appreciate having a single sticky thread that tracked all the various feature requests. It would help with new people such as yourself so they could see what's already been asked for and what hasn't. And if it had links to the discussion threads, that would be even more helpful and it would still make it easy to see which threads get revived over and over to gauge interest.
Sounds like a win-win thing to me. Excellent suggestion! Dav4is, here's an example of the kind of thread Mark's talking about: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=170239That one's about plugins, but you get the gist... Compile a list of feature request (all might be too much work, but maybe the most requested or the ones with the most replies in the affirmative...) and then include links to their threads. I'm sure Ken would appreciate something like that and not mind sticking it. And it would allow you to really get your hands dirty with the feature requests. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Since you seem to enjoy feature requests , perhaps you can change your tactics a bit and satisfy everyone. At the old site we had one thread which kept track of all the feature requests. There's something similar right now in the beta forum tracking all the various bug reports and Ken has found it very helpful.
So if you really like digging your teeth into this type of thing, why not do that instead? I'm sure we'd all appreciate having a single sticky thread that tracked all the various feature requests. It would help with new people such as yourself so they could see what's already been asked for and what hasn't. And if it had links to the discussion threads, that would be even more helpful and it would still make it easy to see which threads get revived over and over to gauge interest.
Sounds like a win-win thing to me.
Excellent suggestion! Dav4is, here's an example of the kind of thread Mark's talking about:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=170239
That one's about plugins, but you get the gist... Compile a list of feature request (all might be too much work, but maybe the most requested or the ones with the most replies in the affirmative...) and then include links to their threads. I'm sure Ken would appreciate something like that and not mind sticking it. And it would allow you to really get your hands dirty with the feature requests.
KM Also an excellent suggestion. For James, my issue is not so much his requests, as much as that he is making requests when he OBVIOUSLY has not explored the Program, his REQUESTS sound more like demands especially when coupled with disparaging and arrogant remarks about what HE thinks DVDProfiler SHOULD be. A request is one thing and we will tease him about that (dare I say it ) but sofar...<shakes head> Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Also an excellent suggestion. For James, my issue is not so much his requests, as much as that he is making requests when he OBVIOUSLY has not explored the Program, his REQUESTS sound more like demands especially when coupled with disparaging and arrogant remarks about what HE thinks DVDProfiler SHOULD be.
A request is one thing and we will tease him about that (dare I say it ) but sofar...<shakes head>
Skip If a post is "disparaging and arrogant", one could consider whether it warrants negative feedback. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dav4is: Quote:
Quoting Nadja:
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This is not a feature request, this should be in website discussion.
You are absolutely correct: This is not a feature request, per se. but I thought it appropriate to post it here nevertheless. It is a request, made to the users who post things here, not to the program developers.
Please extend a bit of latitude... Didn't you get upset when people made off-topic posts in one of your threads? You can't expect to get the latitude you didn't see fit to give.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | Registered: September 10, 2008 | | Posts: 164 |
| | Posted: | | | | I do aplolgize for the length of this message, but Astrakan raised a number of points. Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting dav4is:
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There has been d__ned little constructive criticism directed at me. Mostly what I hear is "shut up and go away", "we have heard it before", "how could you possible know", "we have the experience, you don't" ... and so on.
I don't have the time or patience to read through your entire posting history, but from a quick look it would seem Nadja himself gave you constructive criticism a mere three days after you registered and only received a snarky reply in response. Is it any wonder people get fed up with your attitude and demanding tone?
I looked back to the 13th and didn't really see anything from Nadja that I would call "constructive". Perhaps I missed it. Perhaps our perceptions differ. If I missed it -- and that's very possible with all the traffic -- I apologize. (Your pointer was to a message of mine.) Quote:
I'm sure there are other examples, I know I myself started off on a friendly footing but it quickly became clear I was wasting my time.
I'm sorry to hear that. I try to keep my postings businesslike and emotion-free. I don't feel the necessity of trying to curry favor with false sentiment. If folks are not adult enough to handle that, they should go play in their age group. People who need to hear "it would be nice if" or "I'm sorry if this has been said before" just need stroking that I'm loath to provide. I don't have time for all that. Quote:
That said, instead of spending an entire post harping at you, since you seem to want them, here's a few pointers/constructive crticism:
- The search of this forum doesn't always work well. A workaround most of us use instead is to do a Google search with the prefix site:invelos.com. It's a good idea for you to use that when thinking of a feature request to ensure you don't create duplicate threads.
re doesn't always work well: Too right. I find that it times out 9 times out of ten. I do try to avoid creating duplicate threads, but I can't go on searching forever. And, although you guys seem to think it a deadly sin, I don't see a duplicate thread as being that. If someone were to point out in the new thread that a previous thread exists, that would encourage a redoubled effort to find it. It's always easier to search if you KNOW that the target really exists. It's easy to criticize me (or anyone) for not finding the previous thread, but you forget that they (we) didn't KNOW that a duplicate exists. Quote:
- When making feature requests it would do you well to temper your tone a little. Part of the reason you're catching so much flack is your wording. I'm thinking of your tendency to say "need to" or "should" or "must have" as opposed to "it would be nice if" or "I'd prefer." Both Nadja and Skip have elaborated more on this in this very thread.
I'm not here to stroke their egos. Too bad if they can't handle that. I'm not being rude, but I am trying to be accurate and businesslike. Accurate and precise language is what's called for. They should remember that this is not a social gathering but a business forum. Quote:
- Ask about workarounds before creating new requests. I'm not saying the presence of a workaround invalidates a new request, but it shows effort and a willingness to learn the current ways of the program as opposed to someone who just wants it his way.
KM You are talking about "fitting in", yes? Fitting in is for joining the new country club. This is a business forum and fitting in is not required. I know that there are folks out there who disagree with that sentiment, and perhaps see it as -- umm -- disgusting and arrogant? I'm here to try to improve a product. I suggest that they examine their own motives: Why are they here? The only reason I can think of to mention the status quo is to be able to say "here's a better way." Workarounds need not be mentioned because they are not solutions to the problem, and have no bearing whatever on any proposals -- unless they (perhaps) point the way to a solution. re effort and willingness: You have no clue how much effort I have invested in using this program. If I hadn't expended considerable effort how could I have come up with all those suggestions in a few days? | | | -R.
Windows 7 (Home Premium) SP1; 64-bit
DVD Profiler 3.8.1 |
| | Registered: September 10, 2008 | | Posts: 164 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Since you seem to enjoy feature requests , perhaps you can change your tactics a bit and satisfy everyone. At the old site we had one thread which kept track of all the feature requests. There's something similar right now in the beta forum tracking all the various bug reports and Ken has found it very helpful.
So if you really like digging your teeth into this type of thing, why not do that instead? I'm sure we'd all appreciate having a single sticky thread that tracked all the various feature requests. It would help with new people such as yourself so they could see what's already been asked for and what hasn't. And if it had links to the discussion threads, that would be even more helpful and it would still make it easy to see which threads get revived over and over to gauge interest.
Sounds like a win-win thing to me. I don't think that I have the time to get involved in a Beta version, but I will take it under advisement. Would I be able to make a valid contribution without actually installing the Beta version? | | | -R.
Windows 7 (Home Premium) SP1; 64-bit
DVD Profiler 3.8.1 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dav4is: Quote:
Would I be able to make a valid contribution without actually installing the Beta version? Contributions are not currently possible with the beta version, so if you want to make contributions, you're good to go with the current release (3.1). | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: September 10, 2008 | | Posts: 164 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Since you seem to enjoy feature requests , perhaps you can change your tactics a bit and satisfy everyone. At the old site we had one thread which kept track of all the feature requests. There's something similar right now in the beta forum tracking all the various bug reports and Ken has found it very helpful.
So if you really like digging your teeth into this type of thing, why not do that instead? I'm sure we'd all appreciate having a single sticky thread that tracked all the various feature requests. It would help with new people such as yourself so they could see what's already been asked for and what hasn't. And if it had links to the discussion threads, that would be even more helpful and it would still make it easy to see which threads get revived over and over to gauge interest.
Sounds like a win-win thing to me. I think that I read your note a little too quickly, yes? You are asking me to start a new thread where the various extant feature requests are summarized. Is that it? | | | -R.
Windows 7 (Home Premium) SP1; 64-bit
DVD Profiler 3.8.1 |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dav4is: Quote:
I don't think that I have the time to get involved in a Beta version, but I will take it under advisement. Your misunderstanding his post. His mention of the Beta version was just to give an example as to what he's talking about. Just like I did in my post where I link to the Plugin tracking thread. What we're both talking about is a thread tracking feature requests, and Mark suggested that you start a thread like that since you seem keen on the whole feature requests thing. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dav4is: Quote:
I'm not here to stroke their egos.
Too bad if they can't handle that. Oh, be sure "they" can handle it. Skip is quite used to not getting his ego stroken in this forum.  Quoting dav4is: Quote:
I'm not being rude, but I am trying to be accurate and businesslike. Accurate and precise language is what's called for.
They should remember that this is not a social gathering but a business forum. You're wrong here, this is not a business forum, it's just a commercial forum. The users you find here are customers of invelos, just like you. Some of them are more involved with invelos than others, but still we are all just customers. Even if we have the occasional struggle on interpretations of the rules, we still agree on some politeness (for a given value of the word "politeness" ). And even if you were correct, a business forum is no excuse for rude behaviour against people who are just trying to help a new user in his struggle with the first difficulties in the usage of a program. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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