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Yes, sadly Yves is wrong and I wish that illogical rule "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." would be changed to "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use the standard name instead.", as most names are only credited in all caps so everyone can read it.


The only problem is that Henri Decaë is very well known, his name appears in many books about movies, and there is absolutely no doubt about his real name... as for François Truffaut...
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exactement comme ils sont en crédits...


I suppose you wanted to write in french, so that I could understand better.

Sorry, but your sentence means absolutely nothing. "Crédits" is a financial term that means funds, or supplies...

If my english is as bad as your french, I understand that you have some difficulties to understand me.
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And just as with your overview , I don't care what you THINK is right, I care what is  ON SCREEN ...


Please can you tell me where you find overviews on screen ???

   
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Yes, sadly Yves is wrong and I wish that illogical rule "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." would be changed to "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use the standard name instead.", as most names are only credited in all caps so everyone can read it.


The only problem is that Henri Decaë is very well known, his name appears in many books about movies, and there is absolutely no doubt about his real name... as for François Truffaut...


His real name is irrelevant as Ken has stated that the commenly credited name isn't necessarily the actor's real name...just the most commenly credited. If the name on screen is HENRI DECAE, then that is how he gets credited in the DVD Profiler database. How you handle it locally is entirely up to you of course. Think of this as WYSIWYG .
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BTW, in "Le clan des siciliens", Henri Decaë is credited HENRI DECAE, which should have been transcripted as Henri Decaë, but was probably transcripted as Henri Decae by some users... (same problem as FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT...)


You are absolutely right, AFAIK.

According to the Rules,

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If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.


Therefore, French director FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT should be entered as "François Truffaut".

This has already been discussed in other threads.
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Yes, sadly Yves is wrong and I wish that illogical rule "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." would be changed to "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use the standard name instead.", as most names are only credited in all caps so everyone can read it.

Standard capitalisation rules imply that an E could be either e, é, è, ê, or ë depending of the language of the name. Therefore Henri Decaë can be a correct transformation of HENRI DECAE according to standard capitalisation rules. No rules change is needed.
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The only problem is that Henri Decaë is very well known, his name appears in many books about movies, and there is absolutely no doubt about his real name... as for François Truffaut...


The REAL NAME is not relevant at all in DVD Profiler.

You're saying the right thing but for the wrong reason. 

FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT is "François Truffaut" not because it is his real name, BUT because he's French, and in your language FRANCOIS = "François", AFAIK.
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His real name is irrelevant as Ken has stated [...] If the name on screen is HENRI DECAE, then that is how he gets credited in the DVD Profiler database.

No, we have to apply "standard capitalisation rules". Therefore we get either Henri Decaë or Henri Decae but definitely not HENRI DECAE. Both Henri Decaë and Henri Decae would be correct according to the rules. Why not choose his real name under those cricumstances?
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His real name is irrelevant as Ken has stated that the commenly credited name isn't necessarily the actor's real name...just the most commenly credited.


Correct.

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If the name on screen is HENRI DECAE, then that is how he gets credited in the DVD Profiler database.


Nope! We do not use ALL CAPS.

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How you handle it locally is entirely up to you of course.


That is true for me and you as well. Not relevant in this discussion.

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Think of this as WYSIWYG .


I don't think so. Again, we do not enter ALL CAPS so we have to somehow translate those ALL CAPS.
How do we translate ALL CAPS?
Again, the Rules say to use standard capitalization rules. In French, FRANCOIS equals François, AFAIK.
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The only problem is that Henri Decaë is very well known, his name appears in many books about movies, and there is absolutely no doubt about his real name... as for François Truffaut...


The REAL NAME is not relevant at all in DVD Profiler.

Your saying the right thing but for the wrong reason. 

FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT is "François Truffaut" NOT because it is his real name BUT because he's French, and in your language FRANCOIS = "François", AFAIK.


Not exactly. I agree that FRANCOIS can be only François, as Francois doesn't exist.

But Decae could be possible in french, since it is a family name, and both Decae and Decaë exist.
So you have to know the real name to transcript DECAE correctly...

I make the same analysis than RHo
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Nope! We do not use ALL CAPS.


I'm aware of that. I should have made it more clear. I appologize. HENRI DECAE becomes Henri Decae according to standard capitalization rules .
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Yes, sadly Yves is wrong and I wish that illogical rule "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." would be changed to "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use the standard name instead.", as most names are only credited in all caps so everyone can read it.


The only problem is that Henri Decaë is very well known, his name appears in many books about movies, and there is absolutely no doubt about his real name... as for François Truffaut...

Yes, and that's why I said I regret the fact we're not allowed to use those names in DVD Profiler.
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Yes, sadly Yves is wrong and I wish that illogical rule "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead." would be changed to "If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use the standard name instead.", as most names are only credited in all caps so everyone can read it.

Standard capitalisation rules imply that an E could be either e, é, è, ê, or ë depending of the language of the name. Therefore Henri Decaë can be a correct transformation of HENRI DECAE according to standard capitalisation rules. No rules change is needed.

Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile. In the U.S.A. an E can only be an e, but in France it could be anything you mentioned. Therefore we need to know the standard name of the person, which as for now is not allowed according to this American rules.
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Not exactly. I agree that FRANCOIS can be only François, as Francois doesn't exist.




So far, so good.

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But Decae could be possible in french, since it is a family name, and both Decae and Decaë exist.
So you have to know the real name to transcript DECAE correctly...


First of all, we have to agree on the meaning of words.
The REAL NAME of John Wayne was Mr. Morrison.
We are not interested in REAL NAMES, in DVD Profiler.
We are interested in CREDITED NAMES.
If the standard capitalization rules allow for both "Henri Decaë" and "Henri Decae", then I guess we should use the most frequently credited form ("Henri Decaë").
As Marcel said in another message, the most frequently credited form is "Henri Decaë" (97 titles vs. 48), and that's why we should use it in this case, in my view. Not because it is the "real name".

EDIT: P.S. Only if all his credits were ALL CAPS, and both forms were possible, then I would agree with looking for external documentation in order to determine the correct form.
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Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile.

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That's an assumption I wouldn't agree with. For starters, that would imply that the same name has to be entered differently in different Localities, and -sorry- that doesn't make sense to me. 
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Standard capitalization depends on the locality of the profile.

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That's an assumption I wouldn't agree with. For starters, that would imply that the same name has to be entered differently in different Localities, and -sorry- that doesn't make sense to me. 

Yes, it does. For instance the only correct capitalization of the Dutch credited names "INGEBORG UYT DEN BOOGAARD" or "Ingeborg Uyt Den Boogaard" should only be Ingeborg Uyt den Boogaard, no matter what locality you're in.
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