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Change Production Year to Copyright Year
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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It would make it a lot easier. But then again, we'd have to alter the year in tons of profiles if that were changed.


I wouldn't put my hands on fire for the year data we have out there.
I am seeing all kinds of things in some profiles.
For instance: same movie, different localities, different year!
According to the Poll here, many use Copyright Year anyway.

On the other hand, it might be said that the release year is some more interesting information than a legal copyright. IMDb, for instance, seems to always use the first theatrical release as year of the film.

I see pros and cons either way. Not really sure what is best. 
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I see pros and cons either way. Not really sure what is best. 



But then, after doing a good few searches on multiple sources, I seem to realize that the Theatrical Release from web sites is nearly a random pick, it may depend on which database you lookup, while the Copyright Year -often the same as the Original Release Year anyway- is just there in our DVDs. After all, we are tracking the data in our DVDs. 
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I support this feature request.
Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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I support this feature request.


me too, I've been using copyright year locally all the time
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKatatonia
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According to the Poll here, many use Copyright Year anyway.


Yes, which is the incorrect way to do it currently.
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Here's a situation that could very easily come to pass:

Two films are released let's say in 1947.  One wins the Oscar for Best Picture, the other becomes famous for not winning it.  Years later, someone discovers that the Copyright Year for the second movie is a year different than the production year, and we change it.  Profiler would look pretty stupid when you compare those two movies, especially when they were on the same Oscar billing together.

The point here is, that copyright dates can be years different than the release date.  To be sure, production year can also be different than the release date, but that isn't so common.  I say leave it alone as far as release date goes, and change the field name to match what the data actually represents.
John

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I have to agree with John on this one... keep the info the way it is
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I'd guess in most cases they're be the same.  Or that's already what's in the database.


Not really. I see the production year vary quite often from the copyright year shown in the film.


Exactly as I have seen it, I like the idea but dread the updates 
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I'm actually in favor of changing the name of the field to "Theatrical Release" and then the addition of a new field for "Copyright Date".
Hal
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I'm actually in favor of changing the name of the field to "Theatrical Release" and then the addition of a new field for "Copyright Date".


I think this would be the ideal way in my opinion... though I imagine more times then not it will be the same year.

Wonder if he could make it so that if the copyright Year is the same as the Theatrical Release... then the copyright year does not appear.
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Copyright date works better for one simple reason. Hal's suggestion requires research and the use of third party datasources which have already proven to be questionable....at best. More ARGUMENTS...that is bad. Copyright date exists on the disc as first hand information.

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Billy Video
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Copyright date works better for one simple reason. Hal's suggestion requires research and the use of third party datasources which have already proven to be questionable....at best. More ARGUMENTS...that is bad. Copyright date exists on the disc as first hand information.

Skip

Hal's suggestion does not require any more research than the current rules. He is suggesting renaming the field to match the data it contains and then adding a new field for the copyright date.

My request to change the field name to 'Copyright Year' (and changing the rules to match) is to remove the need to do that research in outside databases.
Paul Francis
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I understand that, paul. You must think I am really stupid. I don't want to write a Doctoral thesis wuth every post to 1) put you to sleep and 2) to make sure that you absolutely crystal clear in what i am saying, I give everybody credit for having just a bit more intelligence that that. though i will confess sometimes...I wonder.

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Billy Video
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Here's a situation that could very easily come to pass:

Two films are released let's say in 1947.  One wins the Oscar for Best Picture, the other becomes famous for not winning it.  Years later, someone discovers that the Copyright Year for the second movie is a year different than the production year, and we change it.  Profiler would look pretty stupid when you compare those two movies, especially when they were on the same Oscar billing together.

The point here is, that copyright dates can be years different than the release date.  To be sure, production year can also be different than the release date, but that isn't so common.  I say leave it alone as far as release date goes, and change the field name to match what the data actually represents.


I totally agree. Who cares about the copyright date anyway. Copyright comes and goes and every country has different copyright laws. The result is that the copyright date may end up being different in a number of countries in the same region. Film lovers only care about theatrical release date. The DVD related information that we record is DVD release date.
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Copyright date works better for one simple reason. Hal's suggestion requires research and the use of third party datasources which have already proven to be questionable....at best. More ARGUMENTS...that is bad. Copyright date exists on the disc as first hand information.

Skip


Doesn't the way we do it today require the same??? 

Changing the current field name will let us preserve the data that is already in the database and make it match the name of the field.  No (or very few) changes would be required to the current data.

Adding "Copyright Date" let's those that find this piece of data important track it as well.

I don't know what film would have a different copyright date in different countries.  Please explain that to me.  Perhaps the field would need to be "Earliest Copyright Date" for the likes of "Star Wars".
Hal
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I understand that, paul. You must think I am really stupid.

No, I think that you have a style of playing fast and loose with the facts. I also think that you never reread what you have typed before you hit submit.
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I don't want to write a Doctoral thesis wuth every post to 1) put you to sleep and 2) to make sure that you absolutely crystal clear in what i am saying, I give everybody credit for having just a bit more intelligence that that. though i will confess sometimes...I wonder.

Skip

Skip, you often post that others can't 'get' what you are trying to say. This is a case where you know, Dan knows and I know that renaming the field as Dan suggested does not change the work needed. But for others reading what you posted it looks like you are saying that it adds work.

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Paul Francis
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