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Why don't we use birth year for every cast/crew member?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Whatever the SAG rules might say is irrelevant. It is a FACT that we have numerous  one name/many people entries, and this will always be true. Even if SAG hasd such a Rule it wouldn't change the FACTS. Surely you aren't suggesting that since SAG says this (if they do) we should start creating our names to follow their Rules.        

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For #2 above - I dispute that. Many celebrities don't have their true birthdates posted anywhere, even with the government and their agents. Just because two or three sites say something, doesn't make it correct.


Ok. But if you have two celebrities with the same name (in this case, birthday date is required) are you sure that for both of them their true birthdates are posted somewhere? And probably you'll have to look a long time at the DVD and its case to find the good date...
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Note for both Kevin and Surfeur:

This particular issue has previously been discussed and a suggested answer has been developed.

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Ok. But if you have two celebrities with the same name (in this case, birthday date is required) are you sure that for both of them their true birthdates are posted somewhere? And probably you'll have to look a long time at the DVD and its case to find the good date...

You only need one of the two birth years to make them separate entries in the database.
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Ok. But if you have two celebrities with the same name (in this case, birthday date is required) are you sure that for both of them their true birthdates are posted somewhere? And probably you'll have to look a long time at the DVD and its case to find the good date...

You only need one of the two birth years to make them separate entries in the database.


What I mean, it's even for one, you'll never be sure that it is the true birthdate. So if the system accepts the risk in one case, why not in all cases...
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<shakes head> Number one I don't know what anyone else is doing, because BY is not really ready for prime time just yet, but i would not just go inserting data that I had not thoroughly vetted, including tryingt o verify via Screen caps of the actor(s) involved. So for me you question is a non-issue, as it should be for anybody who is really conscientious about what goes into the database.

Secondly the BY was not developed to apply to all, actors, it has a specific purpose, we aren't going to be sending out Birthday cards to anybody I don't think. It has a function and a specific purpose

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OK -  it's fine for me - leave it, the way it is!
The poll is clear - no majority for adding birth years !

So please - don't argue to much - else I would feel guilty 
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O don't worry, we will see this again in a few weeks...trust me. We always do.

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It would also reduce the number of contributions.  I don't mind contributing when all the information is need is there on the disc but if I had to start searching a cast of 25 actors one by one to find their birth dates I would stop contributing because I simply wouldn't have the time for this.

I'm most probably not the only one who would feel that way.


Whatever "we" decide, I don't think this should ever become a requirement!


If we start doing it then it will have to be a requirement because it would start breaking the links in the local DB (I know Skip, links aren't the online db and bla bla bla ).
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I always thought that it was an actors guild thing not to have two (or more) actors with the same on screen name.

Can anyone enlighten me on what the actual rules are.

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Active at the same time, I think is the caveat.
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I always thought that it was an actors guild thing not to have two (or more) actors with the same on screen name.

Can anyone enlighten me on what the actual rules are.

Ritch



Active at the same time, I think is the caveat.


Plus, the actor's guilld can't change what happened in the past, or abroad. There's a whole world outside the U.S. of A. (or outside the guild, for that matter).
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Ok. But if you have two celebrities with the same name (in this case, birthday date is required) are you sure that for both of them their true birthdates are posted somewhere? And probably you'll have to look a long time at the DVD and its case to find the good date...

You only need one of the two birth years to make them separate entries in the database.


What I mean, it's even for one, you'll never be sure that it is the true birthdate. So if the system accepts the risk in one case, why not in all cases...

It isn't necessary that it is the "true" birthday, just that it be different.  Even if the dates are wrong, they will still differentiate between two same-named actors/crew.  But if you add BY to ALL people, you'd end up with a lot of incorrect data.
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Ok. But if you have two celebrities with the same name (in this case, birthday date is required) are you sure that for both of them their true birthdates are posted somewhere? And probably you'll have to look a long time at the DVD and its case to find the good date...

You only need one of the two birth years to make them separate entries in the database.


What I mean, it's even for one, you'll never be sure that it is the true birthdate. So if the system accepts the risk in one case, why not in all cases...


Surfeur:

Have you heard of Dcoumentation or do you believ that you should just be able to throw whatever in the database witrhout any kind of sourcing. And the reason for not doing it for ALL cases is because the system was set up for a specific task, now of course YOU are free to do WHATEVER your widdle heart desires, but if you violate the Rules don't contribute the data. YOU can choose to have everybody's BY and you can send birthday cards too. Good grief.

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You only need one of the two birth years to make them separate entries in the database.

If the propagation of the birth year should work without too much problems, both entries should have a birth year assigned to separate two actors. Otherwise the one actor without a birth year will get infected with the wrong birth year after some time and some download contribute cycles by different users.
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.... you can send birthday cards too...
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I'm used to do that. Generally actors and actresses answer me . Now I've 1843 autographs with photos that I use for my database... Great... 
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