I wouldn't say no to seeing something like that in Profiler. Especially for the ones where we have to follow non-standard rules and list everyone. It would keep both parties happy.
It would also means we could simplify the rules by removing the word "involved" so we only look at credits rather than anything else.

This is not an accident slipping someones name through.

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In case you overlooked them and you want to visualy inspect the missing actors from the IMDB database where all the information is and started the credited only theme.
Johnny de Mol, Claire Littleton, Henry Ian Cusick, Emilie de Ravin, Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway, Daniel Dae Kim, Yunjin Kim, Dominic Monaghan, Kiele Sanchez, Rodrigo Santoro, Cirroc Lofton, Liberty Van Zandt, Julia Parsons, ...

I may be missing something - but what's this list got to do with the subject at hand?

I think it's a reference to the actors who are in the opening credits, but not always in the episode.  For example, Cirroc Lofton was Jake Sisko on "Deep Space Nine".  He wasn't in every episode, but his name was in the opening credits.  Same goes for most of the "Lost" actors there.

As for the argument, while I agree that the credited name should be there, I still think that the partial contribution should have been allowed, as it would make it easier for someone else to fix the problem once the contribution was accepted, instead of starting from scratch to do so.

It would be nice if there was the ability to take cast and crew data from the contribution page and import it, so if the contribution fails, or we want to make changes to our own database, we can do it with a few simple clicks.

I did post my understanding of her involvement as she is credited in that episode.

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This Rule has nothing to do with this discussion.

What the rule has to do with the discussion is this:

If our intent is to show everybody credited whether or not they participate in a particular episode, the rule is counterproductive.  It would make sense to show the main cast separate from the "episode cast" so that part of the rule should be deleted.

On the other hand, if our intent is to show who participated in each episode, the rule should be followed but amended to cover a sitution like the Bewitched one.  I don't think our intent is to show a credit just because it exists.  To be useful, a credit must indicate participation.  Many people are forever grousing about how "Linking doesn't work right" and "I can't find every appearance of actor X in my films."  Well, if actor X is shown in the credits but didn't appear in that episode, to be linked to that episode is worthless.

If I'm trying to track the appearances of actor John Doe -- who was in the first episode of a show only, but because of the way producers put together the opening credits he's there throughout the season -- I am given the false impression that he WAS in all episodes instead of what he actually was in.

I know what the rule says.  I understand that there was a need to include Opening Credits to cover the situation where principal casts were not included in the end credits (as with most CURRENT US television series.  I do not for a minute believe, however, that the rule was meant to cover this particular situation.  That interpretation makes no sense at all -- and makes us report data for data's sake with no consideration of the use of those data.

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This Rule has nothing to do with this discussion.

What the rule has to do with the discussion is this:

If our intent is to show everybody credited whether or not they participate in a particular episode, the rule is counterproductive.  It would make sense to show the main cast separate from the "episode cast" so that part of the rule should be deleted.

On the other hand, if our intent is to show who participated in each episode, the rule should be followed but amended to cover a sitution like the Bewitched one.  I don't think our intent is to show a credit just because it exists.  To be useful, a credit must indicate participation.  Many people are forever grousing about how "Linking doesn't work right" and "I can't find every appearance of actor X in my films."  Well, if actor X is shown in the credits but didn't appear in that episode, to be linked to that episode is worthless.

If I'm trying to track the appearances of actor John Doe -- who was in the first episode of a show only, but because of the way producers put together the opening credits he's there throughout the season -- I am given the false impression that he WAS in all episodes instead of what he actually was in.

I know what the rule says.  I understand that there was a need to include Opening Credits to cover the situation where principal casts were not included in the end credits (as with most CURRENT US television series.  I do not for a minute believe, however, that the rule was meant to cover this particular situation.  That interpretation makes no sense at all -- and makes us report data for data's sake with no consideration of the use of those data.

Sorry but this just doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe I am just not following you.

Let's take an example.  Stargate SG-1 Season 9.

If I understand you correctly, for the full season profile, you want to put the main cast "above the line" outside the episode dividers and just use the rest of the cast under the appropriate episode divider?

If that's the plan, how does that help us know which of the main cast appeared in which episode.  Richard Dean Anderson was absent for a bunch of the Season 9 episodes.

On disc level profiles (children of the season), you have the same scenario.  The main cast only appears once but not associated with any particular episode.

Northbloke wants to include the "main cast" in every episode of SG-1, since it does not have full cast listings in the end credits.  Again we don't know exactly who was in which episode

Agare wants to have the main cast in every episode of SG-1 unless they did not actually appear in that particular episode.  Here we know who was in every episode, but we have to sit through every one of them to make sure we have eliminated any of the main cast that don;t actually appear.

Once again, I say, enter every cast credit you see on the screen and be done with it.  For those that don't want non-appearing cast in a particular episode, great....delete them locally.

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so only the cast for one episode. Its complete per the rules and your statements. Its the cast exactly as it appears in the end credits. It just so happens to only be the cast for one episode, but there is nothing wrong with it for the one episode. But since the discs contain more than one episode would it technically be incomplete and therefore wrong. Would you vote no?

Yes, I would vote "no".  The cast list for that profile is incmplete, therefore it is wrong per the Rules.

Keep it local til you complete the work, then contribute it.

I agree 100% with Hal on this... and everything else he said in this thread for that matter.

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Sorry but this just doesn't make sense to me.  Maybe I am just not following you.

Let's take an example.  Stargate SG-1 Season 9.

First, I'm not familiar with SG-1 credits (though I did watch most of the episodes when they aired) so I don't know if the main cast are included in the end credits.  I would assume that they are not, following the pattern of most current TV series.  If this is the case, then I classify these as non-standard credits.

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If I understand you correctly, for the full season profile, you want to put the main cast "above the line" outside the episode dividers and just use the rest of the cast under the appropriate episode divider?

If that's the plan, how does that help us know which of the main cast appeared in which episode.  Richard Dean Anderson was absent for a bunch of the Season 9 episodes.

You are making my point.  The only way to know which episode he appears in is to show him credited only when he actually appears, not when his picture shows up in the opening credits.  Repeating his credit 20 times isn't any more informative than showing it only once above the episode credits.  But we'd only have to enter it once.

If the SG-1 credits do not have the main cast listed in the end credits, then it would be impossible to know which episodes any of them performed in without watching each episode from fron to back.  But this isn't true of Bewitched.  So your comarison is a poor analogy.  Like apples and oranges.

I don't want to show the main cast above the episodes.  I am happy to include them in under an episode divider -- if they actually appear in that episode.  But if they aren't there, I would prefer not to pretend that they are by including their name.  So for those TV shows which show a complete list of all actors appearing in an episode, I feel we should only show those who were actually in that episode.  If the TV show doesn't show a complete list in the end credits, it's a different story -- one which is not worth the additional work needed to verify someone is "missing" from the cast.
On disc level profiles (children of the season), you have the same scenario.  The main cast only appears once but not associated with any particular episode.

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Once again, I say, enter every cast credit you see on the screen and be done with it.  For those that don't want non-appearing cast in a particular episode, great....delete them locally.

I'll agree with this statement -- EXCEPT I say enter those you see in the end credits, when those end credits include ALL performers.  And if YOU want to include someone like Agnes Moorhead in an episode which she had nothing to do with (i.e., didn't act vocally or visually in it) great....ADD them locally.  The difference is with my way of doing things, we can search on Agnes Moorhead and see those titles she acted in.  With your way of doing things, we can only find titles which include her in the credits -- regardless of whether or not she was actually in the program material.