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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Only if one can't read bloody English is your opinion relevant. Words mean things, and the words in the rule mean you can't make changes to SRP -- AT ALL. YOU don't get to change the meaning of those words to suit you, and in that context your 'opinion' is meaningless. Of course, whenever you want to do something that is against the rules, you fall back on "your opinion" and try to intimidate the other side by saying Ken and Gerri will decide. So, yeah, they will decide, and I think they will follow the rule as it is written, NOT as you THINK it is written.  | | | Andy 
"Credited as" Names Database | | | | Last edited: by Lopek |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What a brilliantpost...NOT. Grow up, son.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, I find it fsacinating how your idea of the voters means that you are not required to follow the Rules.
You can do whatever you want if you can get the voters behind you. There goes the database.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know that this point has already been made but in an attempt to get this discussion back on topic......The Rule says:
"SRP
Use the SRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) at the time of the DVD’s original release using the currency type matching the locality of the DVD. Do not change the SRP in DVD Profiler to reflect reductions in SRP that distributors make in continually over time following release. Ensure the currency type matches the locality of the DVD. Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP. "
The DVD in question has not been released.
Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the rule does not apply.
I have voted yes to the contribution on that basis.
Once the DVD is released, the rule does apply and changes for a few cents are prohibited.
My two cents. | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
|   | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I might be going out on a limb here, but the below mentioned section of the Rules would apply for these kind of changes, no?
If I've understood correctly the SRP was only a small part of this particular contribution, so if that's the case I'd say the change is valid - based on this;
Make sure your contributions add significant value to the database. For example, contributions that only re-order the information within a certain section should not be submitted. These unnecessary changes are highlighted in the rules. Please do not make a separate contribution for them; however, they may be acceptable if you are making wider corrections to a profile. | | | Berak
It's better to burn out than to fade away!
True love conquers all! | | | | Last edited: by Berak |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Note the keywords May be acceptable.
While the SRP Rules specifically says Do NOT change it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
While the SRP Rules specifically says Do NOT change it.
Skip The term "SRP" is linked to the phrase "at the time of the DVD’s original release" in the same sentence. This connection means to me that the SRP rule is enlivened once the DVD is released and therefore does not apply until then. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think I was on this same train of thought about 100 pages ago...how in the world can pre-release data be set in stone when our mantra is "just enter what's on the disk"? It seems intuitive that any data that is pre-release is up for grabs, unless of course I want to make some sort of arcane point. Frankly, I just assumed that's what this entire thread was about. SRP was just the excuse for a bitchfest. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not true, telecine. Once the DVD is released the SRP should noit be changer at all, unless someone has slipped in an SRP reduction and it has to be fixed. Even at THAT you still do NOT change the SRP for pennies, the Rules say NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Use just a little common sense.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Telecine: Quote:
The term "SRP" is linked to the phrase "at the time of the DVD’s original release" in the same sentence. This connection means to me that the SRP rule is enlivened once the DVD is released and therefore does not apply until then. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Not true, telecine. Once the DVD is released the SRP should noit be changer at all, unless someone has slipped in an SRP reduction and it has to be fixed. Even at THAT you still do NOT change the SRP for pennies, the Rules say NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Use just a little common sense.
Skip  |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Not true, telecine. Once the DVD is released the SRP should noit be changer at all, unless someone has slipped in an SRP reduction and it has to be fixed. Even at THAT you still do NOT change the SRP for pennies, the Rules say NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Use just a little common sense.
Skip Skip, I think we agree on what the position is once the DVD is released, don't change the SRP unless it is wrong and don't change it even then if the change is only a few cents. What do you say though to my interpretation of the rule, as written, that it doesn't apply until the DVD is released? | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why does that confuse you, Rick. The onlky change after release will be an SRP reduction which we don't accept. An SRP reduction prior to release can be accepted with supporting documentation...it happens, not common...but it does happen. So we return the DO NOT change for pennies, I don't care how you spin it or how you rationalize it is a RULE violation, plain and simple and thso supporting are also in violation of Rules...including YOU, Rick.
This really is not hard to comprehend and your logic doesn't hold water under any kind of analysis.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have said it numerous times. telecine. Your interpretation is wrong and completely contrary to the key phrase.
"Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP. "
There are NO exceptions attached to that phrase, nor are they any provisions that allow for a change of pennies. A simple prohibition of DON'T DO IT PERIOD.
As I have said also, if I had taken the acrtion that Lopek has done, Lopek, James, Rick and any number of users would have been all over ME for it, and I would have immediately rectified the issue instead of trying justify violating the Rule. I, in point of fact, as I also noted, withdrew a Contribution identical to Lopek's in every respect, including the SRP, because the SRP change of 1 cent was a violation of the Rules.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I have said it numerous times. telecine. Your interpretation is wrong and completely contrary to the key phrase.
"Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP. "
There are NO exceptions attached to that phrase, nor are they any provisions that allow for a change of pennies. A simple prohibition of DON'T DO IT PERIOD.
As I have said also, if I had taken the acrtion that Lopek has done, Lopek, James, Rick and any number of users would have been all over ME for it, and I would have immediately rectified the issue instead of trying justify violating the Rule. I, in point of fact, as I also noted, withdrew a Contribution identical to Lopek's in every respect, including the SRP, because the SRP change of 1 cent was a violation of the Rules.
Skip Skip, I accept everything that you say on the point for contributions for released DVDs. I would accept the force of your argument regarding the phrase "Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP. " if it preceded the phrase "Use the SRP (Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price) at the time of the DVD’s original release....." but it doesn't. Given the construction of the rule, I think that a reasonable interpretation of the rule is that it is a condition precedent to the prohibition encapsulated in the phrase "Do not make contributions with changes of a few cents/pence to the SRP. " that the DVD must have been released. In simpler terms, no release, no application of the rule. Is that not a fair interpretation? | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Noi it is not really telecine. There are ONLY two instances for changing an SRP, one is if there is a reduction prior to release, or correcting an invalid SRP reduction (post-release). If your argument is valid then the DO NOT change p[hrase is totally invalid for all purposes.
Even IF the SRP is 28.99 on the day of release, then it is still illegal to change it for a penny.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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