Quoting Unicus69:

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Wow, I missed a lot by going to Best Buy this morning. 

I was out this morning too and this thread doubled in size.  I'm glad I'm posting after you though. Saves me some time. 

Quoting Unicus69:

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A couple of things...well, maybe three things...

First to the forum thread.  The fact that a studio is listed there doesn't mean it is correct.  As has been pointed out, we chose '20th' over 'Twentieth' because it didn't fit the field.  Now that it does, we should use the 'correct' studio name...since that is what the rules call for.  In this case, that name is 'Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment'.

I agree that what is in the studios thread was correct only because we declared it to be correct in the past when we had a shorter field. I seem to recall that once upon a time, the field wasn't even long enough for '20th Century Fox Home Entertainment'. (Didn't we truncate that at one time? I believe we typed out the whole name in the studio entry box and when we saved it, the name was chopped off. But we were assured that the missing data was saved for future expansion.      Good times.)

If one is sure that 'Twentieth' is correct, there's no compulsion to use the thread. One can contribute 'Twentieth' and still be within the rules as written. It's not what I thought it said, but you've pointed out that this is what it actually says. That's part of the issue here is that there's a discrepancy between what it actually says versus what many of us thought it said.

Quoting Unicus69:

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Second, whether or not you believe it 'adds value' is a non-issue.  Some people would say that reproducing typos in the overview adds no value.  But that doesn't matter, now does it?  No, because that isn't our measuring stick.  The rules call for 'correct studio names' and that is what we should enter.

Agree. I'm baffled by the added value argument. We have threads debating spaces and no-spaces and commas and no-commas. We somehow see value in entering the same names using different forms of puncutation so that they don't link, all in the name of correctness. There's no reason we shouldn't enter correct studio names.

Quoting Unicus69:

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Third, I don't know how anybody...especially Skip...can argue against what is printed on the back of the case.  I have two questions that should put this issue to rest:

If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Disney DVD' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?

If the logo in the DVD credits is 'Dimension Home Video' and the back of the case reads, "Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment," which do you enter?

I already know the answer, it's BVHE.  Why should this be any different?  If it is decided that the logo in the credits takes precedence over 'distribued by' on the DVD case, you are going to have a HUGE mess on your hands. 

All good points. I think this would be a problem with PD titles as well. I've done a few of those and have seen the credits chopped so that the old studio names don't appear on-screen. The case is really the way to go.

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Thank you. That's all I've been trying to say for the past couple of pages...     

You did well. 

Quoting skipnet50:

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I repeat. VALUE ADDED...is there any? None that I am aware. The onlyn thing I can see is anal retentiveness.

Since when did you decide that anal retentiveness is bad? Your signature has declared since the Intervocative days that you are "MoA and proud of it", which stands for Master of Anal. 

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Your signature has declared since the Intervocative days that you are "MoA and proud of it", which stands for Master of Anal. 

And to think he was against gay marriage too!   

Quoting skipnet50:

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Answer the question oh king of the shuck and jive. There are THOUSANDS of man-hours involved here and it will take thousands more to change it. WHERE IS THE VALUE ADDED. You are great at not answering questions with anything more than flippancy.

Skip

We're talking about a new field that has no data in it at present. It will take no more time to enter the correct 'Twentieth' than it will take to enter the abbreviated-for-a-former-field '20th'.

Quoting skipnet50:

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You STILL have not answered the question. But that is oh so typical.

Skip

The value added is accuracy.

If you no longer value accuracy above all, do let us know.

Maybe someone (like me) would find it valueable to filter all movies with Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment as distributor with just one single click...

Quoting skipnet50:

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How MAY times doi i have to explain this, Unicus. Fox and Disney and TWO different companies and handle DVDs in two totally different and unique methods . So your question is BOGUS to begin with by trying to make the two companies the same. Disney has ONE single distribution arm called Buena Visya Home Entertainment, this still appears to be largely true with a couple of exceptions relating to Walt Disney Home Entertainment. Each of its various Production Companies also has an arm that is responsible for DVD PRODUCTION, DisneyDVD, Dimension Home Video, et al. The DVDs are turned over to BVHE for DISTRIBUTION in all cases. But nice try and thank you for playing along. This changes NOTHING relative to Fox. In short each company is an entity unto itself and they follow their OWN patterns NOT ours, they never have and never will. Industry KNOWLEDGE is a useful thing to possess, instead of ythe simple games that some users like to play.

Are you seriously going to question MY industry knowledge?  Unless you have been living under a rock, you have to be aware of the fact that  I am a studio buff, so I do know a thing or two about this subject. 

Of course I know they are two different companies.  The point that you are missing is that, while they are different companies, they have one thing in common...as do many, MANY other companies.  That thing is the method in which they indicate the distribution company.  That method is, "Distributed by..."

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If you want to discuss Fox, discuss Fox, don't try and drag use;less information from some other comapny and equate it. Ford and GM make cars, they are very similar, they have four wheels and engine, there the similarity ends, they are not constructed in the same way, they are not financed in the same way nor are the dealerships handled the same. So to take information from GM and try to apply it to Ford beyond the basic four wheels and an engine would be utterly foolish. Same is true of Fox and Disney, they BOTH make films, beyond that the similarity ENDS.

If you really believe that the similarities end with the fact that they both make films, you don't know as much as you would like us to believe.  As I have just illustrated above, they share at least one other similarity. 

Back to the topic at hand...

The point that you are losing in all of this is that we studio buffs, are the exception, not the rule.  Not everybody shares the same knowledge, nor do they really care to.  If you tell them to use the logo in the DVD credits, that is what they will do regardless of the fact that the words 'distributed by' are written on the back of the case...that includes BVHE.

I am sorry, but you can't have different rules for different distribution companies.  If you want to use the logo for '20th', then you have to use the logo for 'DisneyDVD'.  You can't use the logo for some and the 'distributed by' for others.  It just won't work.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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How MAY times doi i have to explain this, Unicus. Fox and Disney and TWO different companies and handle DVDs in two totally different and unique methods . So your question is BOGUS to begin with by trying to make the two companies the same. Disney has ONE single distribution arm called Buena Visya Home Entertainment, this still appears to be largely true with a couple of exceptions relating to Walt Disney Home Entertainment. Each of its various Production Companies also has an arm that is responsible for DVD PRODUCTION, DisneyDVD, Dimension Home Video, et al. The DVDs are turned over to BVHE for DISTRIBUTION in all cases. But nice try and thank you for playing along. This changes NOTHING relative to Fox. In short each company is an entity unto itself and they follow their OWN patterns NOT ours, they never have and never will. Industry KNOWLEDGE is a useful thing to possess, instead of ythe simple games that some users like to play.

Are you seriously going to question MY industry knowledge?  Unless you have been living under a rock, you have to be aware of the fact that  I am a studio buff, so I do know a thing or two about this subject. 

Of course I know they are two different companies.  The point that you are missing is that, while they are different companies, they have one thing in common...as do many, MANY other companies.  That thing is the method in which they indicate the distribution company.  That method is, "Distributed by..."

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If you want to discuss Fox, discuss Fox, don't try and drag use;less information from some other comapny and equate it. Ford and GM make cars, they are very similar, they have four wheels and engine, there the similarity ends, they are not constructed in the same way, they are not financed in the same way nor are the dealerships handled the same. So to take information from GM and try to apply it to Ford beyond the basic four wheels and an engine would be utterly foolish. Same is true of Fox and Disney, they BOTH make films, beyond that the similarity ENDS.

If you really believe that the similarities end with the fact that they both make films, you don't know as much as you would like us to believe.  As I have just illustrated above, they share at least one other similarity. 

Back to the topic at hand...

The point that you are losing in all of this is that we studio buffs, are the exception, not the rule.  Not everybody shares the same knowledge, nor do they really care to.  If you tell them to use the logo in the DVD credits, that is what they will do regardless of the fact that the words 'distributed by' are written on the back of the case...that includes BVHE.

I am sorry, but you can't have different rules for different distribution companies.  If you want to use the logo for '20th', then you have to use the logo for 'DisneyDVD'.  You can't use the logo for some and the 'distributed by' for others.  It just won't work.

Then WHY are you trying to compare an apple to an orange.

Point TWO, I agree, but they like to argue with peoplke who DO KNOW. To what end, who knows. I still want to know what value is added and no one has answered that yet. Why should spend thousands more man-hours changing data that is already correct. Simply because 20th is different from Twentieth....PUHlease.

Skip

Define correct, Unicus. 20th is ON SCREEN AND the back cover as well. Why should edit and re-edit ad infinitum just because some user wants us to. And further sets up poll and then publicly states that he is going to ignore the poll AND the Rules to boot.

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