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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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Going down this path will mean that we cannot simply copy the on-screen credits as they appear.
We will be expected to watch the entire film/episode all the way through to verify that each and every person listed in the credits actually appears in that film/episode.
No, we can still copy the on-screen credits as they appear. But if someone notices that this situation has occurred then we will be expected to change it for the online. And for us to validate that they are correct, we will have to watch the entire episode in order to vote with any certainty. This is just a bad idea. Just copy the credits as they appear on screen! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 |  Posts: 189 |
| | Posted: | | | | There are a few ways I believe this whole debacle can go.
1. NOT list her in the episodes she is not credited in in the end credits
2. LIST her in the episodes she is not credited (with role) in in the end credits because she is listed in the beginning credits and is a major part of the cast
3. LIST her the episodes she is not credited (with NO associated role) in in the end credits because she is listed in the beginning credits but does not appear in the episode
Does this pretty much sum it up??
As far as what "I" think, it doesn't really matter as I don't own the title, but if I had to choose, I would choose #1 (or maybe #3). Producers are notoriously lazy (and cheap) when it comes to titles (ok... maybe to much of a generalization) and don't always feel the necessity to deviate from the standard complete opening credits which list the "major" actors.
Let me ask this though: What it by some freak of chance that the people responsible for the beginning credits slipped someone's name (by accident) that was not in the series at all? What would you do then? | | | Peter
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Bewitched is an American situation comedy originally broadcast on ABC from 1964 to 1972. The show stars Elizabeth Montgomery, Dick York (1964–1969), Dick Sargent (1969–1972), and Agnes Moorehead. That would make her one of the leading actors not? | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| | Posted: | | | | dupe | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
We can't include her just because the producers 'maybe felt' she deserved a credit, as Skip would say (hopefully that doesn't hurt my argument) we have to go by whats on screen, not what we think the producers may have been thinking even though in reality we have no idea what they were thinking.
-Agrare But her credit does appear on screen!  (bolding above by me) It am not saying maybe the producers felt that she deserved a credit...they did feel that she deserved a credit...that's why she is credited! | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Agrare: Quote:
As far as involvement, If her involvement was in some way other than acting (appearing on screen or voice only work) than that would make her crew and not cast.
-Agrare Only if she had an on screen credit for such! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
That would make her one of the leading actors not? Nobody's saying otherwise - but just because she's one of the leading actors, doesn't mean she was involved in every single episode. Please, how do you define the phrase "credited actor involved" where we can also have a "credited actor uninvolved"? |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
That's a non sequitor Hal, we're talking about cast here.
Directors and writers are crew. Crew can be involved without appearing or being heard, but how can an actor be involved as an actor without appearing or being heard? I was trying to define the word "involved" by showing that one can be involved without appearing or being heard. I was not suggesting that cast and crew were the same in any way. There are any number of ways that an actor can be "involved" without being heard or seen. The point is that producers gave her an on screen credit. Therefore, that credit should be entered into DVDP. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
There are any number of ways that an actor can be "involved" without being heard or seen. No, you only said that an actor could be involved as something else. There is no way an actor can be involved as an actor without appearing or being heard. And regardless of whether the producers felt she deserved a credit or not, if the end credits are standard, then we don't need to look at the opening credits and we don't need to list anyone in them. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting falcon2099: Quote:
Let me ask this though: What it by some freak of chance that the people responsible for the beginning credits slipped someone's name (by accident) that was not in the series at all? What would you do then? Muddying the waters with these type of far-fetched hypotheticals does not help us reach a consensus. | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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That would make her one of the leading actors not?
Nobody's saying otherwise - but just because she's one of the leading actors, doesn't mean she was involved in every single episode.
Please, how do you define the phrase "credited actor involved" where we can also have a "credited actor uninvolved"? It does not say "credited actor involved as an actor". It just says involved. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | The fact that she is credited in all the episodes, where however she had negotiated that she would appear in only eight of every twelve episodes made. Is sufficient involvement. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
It does not say "credited actor involved as an actor". It just says involved. Sorry Hal, but that doesn't fly. This rule is listed under "Cast". We're only talking about acting credits here - why would we want to list someone as an actor if they were actually involved with the writing? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
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It does not say "credited actor involved as an actor". It just says involved.
Sorry Hal, but that doesn't fly. This rule is listed under "Cast". We're only talking about acting credits here - why would we want to list someone as an actor if they were actually involved with the writing? Maybe because she is listed in the opening credits as an actor? | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
The fact that she is credited in all the episodes, where however she had negotiated that she would appear in only eight of every twelve episodes made. Is sufficient involvement. That would count if we were looking at a cast list of the series, but we're not. This is a cast list for only one episode. She is not involved in that episode, so we don't list her. She is involved in the series, so her name would count on the parent profile. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Maybe because she is listed in the opening credits as an actor? She may be credited, but she's not involved. In order for her name to count, she has to satisfy both criteria: be credited AND be involved in that episode. |
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