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Picture-in-Picture Option in Features for DVDs
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorThe Movieman
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Since there are DVDs with Video or Picture-in-Picture Commentary, do you think it would be worthwhile adding that option on DVDs? Currently it is only available for Blu-rays and HD DVDs.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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No it isn't... The VXP Platinum Edition release of Deep Inside Annie Sprinkle had this type of commentary and this is a regular dvd (except that the commentary is on second disc).

Agree on your suggestion.
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No it isn't...

I could be wrong, but I think he meant it is only available as a Profiler selection for Blu-rays and HD DVDs.
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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No it isn't...

I could be wrong, but I think he meant it is only available as a Profiler selection for Blu-rays and HD DVDs.


That is correct.
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If this feature exists for DVDs as well, I see no reason to limit its availability in DVDP to Blu-ray and HD DVD.
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I may be wrong but don't the technical specs of DVDs only allow one video stream at a time? How does the picture-in-picture work on these discs?
I think I have one disc that includes a "fake" PIP commentary by having a second copy of the film on the disc with the PIP already embedded into the video - ie. it can't be switched on or off. Do these work the same way? Or is it a case of multi-angle titles, where changing from one angle to another will create the effect of "adding" the PIP commentary?
If these DVDs do include a "fake" PIP then I'm not sure I'd want them included with the HD titles that have true PIP.
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I understand it the same way as north. DVD doesn't support true PiP.

That being said, if we list forced subtitles, is this really all that different?
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I may be wrong but don't the technical specs of DVDs only allow one video stream at a time? How does the picture-in-picture work on these discs?
I think I have one disc that includes a "fake" PIP commentary by having a second copy of the film on the disc with the PIP already embedded into the video - ie. it can't be switched on or off. Do these work the same way? Or is it a case of multi-angle titles, where changing from one angle to another will create the effect of "adding" the PIP commentary?
If these DVDs do include a "fake" PIP then I'm not sure I'd want them included with the HD titles that have true PIP.


Maybe, but it's still a Picture-in-Picture feature, whether or not it can be switched on or off doesn't matter, does it? You've got the movie playing and in a smaller box in the corner are the commentators (this is more often the case for DVDs than having behind-the-scenes footage).
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in my eyes... those are video commentaries. which per rules is checked under commentary. I personally not sure I would want 1 feature to make us check 2 feature boxes... as that would make me at least expect to see 2 different features... not just 1 thing (commentary and pip).
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I may be wrong but don't the technical specs of DVDs only allow one video stream at a time? How does the picture-in-picture work on these discs?

Second copy of the disc (like I said) and the image is forced on the film. You can't remove it since it's the way the video was recorded (but it's the film with just a box showing the commentator watching and commenting while she watch the movie). Think at this in the same way the subtitles are burned on some foreign bootleg.

It isn't exactly the same that it is with the HD-DVD, but the principle is the same and I don't see why it isn't an important information to know. On some DVD (mostly french release) the subtitles are forced and we list them, of course they aren't burn on the image but the processus to remove them is complicated depending of wich reader you use.
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in my eyes... those are video commentaries. which per rules is checked under commentary..


I might have missed it, but where in the rules does it say that?

Under Commentary is just says:

"Audio Commentary
Text Commentary"


And in this case, it still fits (description for what qualifies as PiP):

"Picture-in-picture content integrated into the main feature or supplimental content"

Video commentary is still a box within a larger box (ie Picture-in-Picture)  integrated (forced or not, it doesn't matter) into the main feature.
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No thanks. If I see a PiP feature I expect more than a commentary. A video commentary is still just a commentary.
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No thanks. If I see a PiP feature I expect more than a commentary. A video commentary is still just a commentary.


Yes but under the rules (which I posted above), it still qualifies. I know that how you see it but there are quite a few Blu-rays (like Forgetting Sarah Marshall) and HD DVDs (Mission Impossible 3) that have PiP with just video of people watching and commenting on the movie and we count that as Picture-in-Picture.
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Then maybe the feature should be REMOVED from HD and BD instead. 
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I have to agree with TheMovieman.  PiP is not content based, it is simply a picture within a picture.
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Quoting TheMovieman:
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in my eyes... those are video commentaries. which per rules is checked under commentary..


I might have missed it, but where in the rules does it say that?

Under Commentary is just says:

"Audio Commentary
Text Commentary"


And in this case, it still fits (description for what qualifies as PiP):

"Picture-in-picture content integrated into the main feature or supplimental content"

Video commentary is still a box within a larger box (ie Picture-in-Picture)  integrated (forced or not, it doesn't matter) into the main feature.


You are right for some reason I was remembering text commentary as video commentary.
Pete
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