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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Under "Sound" in the rules it states the following roles Sound,Sound Recording,Sound Recordist,Sound Supervisor,Recorded by and then states in the notes " Primarily used in older films" so if you have someone credited as "Sound Recordist" but in a modern Film/TV show would you still just use "Sound" or would you credit them with another role? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Personally, I credit them just under sound.
"Primarily used in older films" seems to indicate it is sometimes used in modern films. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
Chris | | | | Last edited: by cvermeylen |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
so if you have someone credited as "Sound Recordist" but in a modern Film/TV show would you still just use "Sound" or would you credit them with another role? Yes, I would definitely credit them with "Sound" | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | In modern use, is "Audio" the same as "Sound"? | | | | Hans |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | "Primarily" doesn't mean "Exclusively", so yes, I enter them as "Sound".
After all a Recordist (usually) is doing something different than a PSM
EDIT: Just got informed that in certain localities a "Sound Recordist" might be exactly the same as a PSM. Not sure how I would handle this, but usually I'd say: wording before interpretation. But that's mostly to be on the safe side and I definitely wouldn't object to PSM if it's reasoned. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
Under "Sound" in the rules it states the following roles
Sound,
Sound Recording,
Sound Recordist,
Sound Supervisor,
Recorded by
and then states in the notes "Primarily used in older films"
so if you have someone credited as "Sound Recordist" but in a modern Film/TV show would you still just use "Sound" or would you credit them with another role? Allow me to offer some background on this. The note was added to deal with "older" films that did not use contemporary Sound credits. At the time the Rule was written this appeared to be about pre-1965, this quickly proved to be a moving target and moved up to about pre-1981. There appears by and large a period of time when this credit was not used very often, if at all. But in the last ten years it has returned with a vengeance. At this point time, i have to say that i think despite our best efforts, the note is a moot point. The above was also why we used the word PRIMARILY, we didn't know exactly where the cut was. Such things happen. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
"Primarily" doesn't mean "Exclusively", so yes, I enter them as "Sound". This is my thinking as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
so if you have someone credited as "Sound Recordist" but in a modern Film/TV show would you still just use "Sound" or would you credit them with another role? Here's my personal rule of thumb: "a profile can never have a production sound mixer credit AND a sound recordist credit". It's one or the other. When there's already a "production sound mixer" credted, the "recordist" credit merely refers to a studio technician - not the person the "sound" credit was meant for (which, primarily, are "older films" where it's usually the only sound-related credit). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll agree, Tim and this type of rules could be used elsewhere. In point of fact, we had requested that Sound be grayed out and blocked from use under those circumstances, but this did not come to pass. The note was then added to try and skirt that failure, and we also didn't have the knowledge of Sound credits that exist five years later.<shrugs>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Here's my personal rule of thumb: "a profile can never have a production sound mixer credit AND a sound recordist credit". It's one or the other. When there's already a "production sound mixer" credted, the "recordist" credit merely refers to a studio technician - not the person the "sound" credit was meant for (which, primarily, are "older films" where it's usually the only sound-related credit). Very good explanation T!M. Let me add that especially in U.K. productions the term Sound Recordist is sometimes even nowadays in use as equivalent to the Production Sound Mixer, while in actual U.S. movies Sound Recordist is never the PSM but just a studio sound technician who is not meant to be submitted in the profile. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting schaumi: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Here's my personal rule of thumb: "a profile can never have a production sound mixer credit AND a sound recordist credit". It's one or the other. When there's already a "production sound mixer" credted, the "recordist" credit merely refers to a studio technician - not the person the "sound" credit was meant for (which, primarily, are "older films" where it's usually the only sound-related credit).
Very good explanation T!M. Let me add that especially in U.K. productions the term Sound Recordist is sometimes even nowadays in use as equivalent to the Production Sound Mixer, while in actual U.S. movies Sound Recordist is never the PSM but just a studio sound technician who is not meant to be submitted in the profile. Is there any way to determine when that might be true or NOT, Schaumi. If it is sometimes PSm and sometimes not with no way to tell which is which, then i would sggest that we leave Sound Recordist right where it is even for the UK. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting schaumi:
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Very good explanation T!M. Let me add that especially in U.K. productions the term Sound Recordist is sometimes even nowadays in use as equivalent to the Production Sound Mixer, while in actual U.S. movies Sound Recordist is never the PSM but just a studio sound technician who is not meant to be submitted in the profile.
Is there any way to determine when that might be true or NOT, Schaumi. If it is sometimes PSm and sometimes not with no way to tell which is which, then i would sggest that we leave Sound Recordist right where it is even for the UK.
Skip Sure, there is a simple way. The UK sound recordist is credited with the on set production crew (usually near the camera and boom operator) while the US sound recordist (which we don't track) is credited in the post production section (near the sound editor, foley etc). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, rho. read what schaumi said. "Let me add that especially in U.K. productions the term Sound Recordist is sometimes even nowadays in use as equivalent to the Production Sound Mixer,"
THat implies that sometimes it is PSM and sometimes it's not..How do WE know is there some sort of clue, that gives Yes it is, No it isn't. If not....what Isaid in my last post.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't even worry about it. If the film credit matches the profiler credit, I enter it. Based on what I have seen in contributions recently, more and more people are doing the same thing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
No, rho. read what schaumi said. "Let me add that especially in U.K. productions the term Sound Recordist is sometimes even nowadays in use as equivalent to the Production Sound Mixer,"
THat implies that sometimes it is PSM and sometimes it's not..How do WE know is there some sort of clue, that gives Yes it is, No it isn't. If not....what Isaid in my last post.
Skip That's what I have said. When the sound recordist is used as an equivalent to the production sound mixer (usually UK), he is usually credited near the camera and boom operator and we enter him as a direct translation of production sound mixer. When the sound recordist is in the post production team (usually US and sometimes UK), he is credited near the sound editors and re-recording mixers and we enter him not at all. When the sound recordist is the only sound credit (usually older films), we enter him as sound. So, the place, where he is credited (only sound credit, on set production, post production), defines how sound recordist is entered into the database. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't even worry about it. If the film credit matches the profiler credit, I enter it. Based on what I have seen in contributions recently, more and more people are doing the same thing. I just recently started to do some crew credits... and this is how I have been doing it. | | | | Pete |
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