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Can the online Disc IDs please be removed entirely for The Fresh Prince: Season 3 (R2 UK)? |
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Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | I've recently bought "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air: The Complete Third Season" on Region 2 (UK) DVD.
I entered the barcode - 7321900733748, and the correct profile was found and downloaded...
It is, however, fairly obvious that this profile is wrong and has just been 'cloned' from the United States version. The Cover Scans are for the Region 1 release and the Disc IDs match the profile for Region 1 (US) (EAN-012569-733749).
The Disc IDs I have, which is the original UK release (not a re-release), don't match these at all.
I can easily scan and replace the Cover Scans and correct everything else, that isn't a problem. But, if I add the correct Disc IDs, am I correct in thinking the original very incorrect ones will still be there?
Can these be removed entirely? | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Grey:
Why should they be removed? It is known that multiple DiscIDs are possible for a given title.<scratching head>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Try reading the full post, Skip, not just the thread title... He felt they should be removed because they're the disc ID's of the R1-version of this set, where the profile was cloned from. These disc ID's really don't belong on this UK R2-version. It's not that multiple ID's for discs in this specific set exist - instead, the profile had the ID's of a different set. Personally, I guess it really doesn't hurt us that much, but Greyhulk sure is right: those disc ID's of the corresponding American region 1-set really should not be associated with this set. Overwriting them with the correct ones solves the immediate problem, but according to Ken the others remain associated with the profile, even though we don't see it. In case of multiple disc ID's that's great, but these ID's don't belong here. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | I can understand the problem, but have also no idea to solve it.
... It's a pitty that it's a TV series. If regarding to the Disc Ids the rules would be same as for a normal box set, I would have suggested to make a box set and delete the Disc Ids from parent. So there wouldn't be the incorrect Disc Id anymore. But as for TV series we always have to include the Disc Id to the parent this doesn't work. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Try reading the full post, Skip, not just the thread title...
He felt they should be removed because they're the disc ID's of the R1-version of this set, where the profile was cloned from. These disc ID's really don't belong on this UK R2-version. It's not that multiple ID's for discs in this specific set exist - instead, the profile had the ID's of a different set.
Personally, I guess it really doesn't hurt us that much, but Greyhulk sure is right: those disc ID's of the corresponding American region 1-set really should not be associated with this set. Overwriting them with the correct ones solves the immediate problem, but according to Ken the others remain associated with the profile, even though we don't see it. In case of multiple disc ID's that's great, but these ID's don't belong here. Tim: That proves nothing, if it is a multi-region Disc or set of Discs then it is reasonable to presume that the Disc IDs were packaged for different reasons. yes I did read the post and my conclusion remains the same. Why do you always try to be offensive instead of using your head. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | This is something that Ken would have to fix...assuming a fix is needed. Like T!M said, I don't know that it does any harm to have them in the online. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Now how would be able to determine the viability of the same DiscIds beimng sent elsewhere because of multi-region...I don't know. If it's a Warner release for example, who is typiclayy 1, 2, 3,4, why would I as warner create separate versions for 2, 3 or 4, it would seem more likely that i would simply create different packaging for the various Regions and just use the same discs....But i don't know that they do that or how we would find out unless we could get warner to tell us that.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 906 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: why would I as warner create separate versions for 2, 3 or 4
Skip Because R2 are mostly PAL countries | | | The colour of her eyes, were the colour of insanity | | | Last edited: by reybr |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Even if Warner used the same Region free, I would be surprised if they used the same discs, as UK is PAL and US is NTSC.
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reybr beat me to it. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: why would I as warner create separate versions for 2, 3 or 4
Skip
Because R2 are mostly PAL countries Reybr: That's a valid comment, but I am not sure of it's relevancy today. Region 0 titles are sold everywhere and the transmission standard is not relevant in such cases. There might be an issue relative to timing (runtime) due to differences in electricity , but I am not sure about the transmission standard being much of an issue today....maybe. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting reybr: Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: why would I as warner create separate versions for 2, 3 or 4
Skip
Because R2 are mostly PAL countries Reybr: That's a valid comment, but I am not sure of it's relevancy today. Region 0 titles are sold everywhere and the transmission standard is not relevant in such cases. There might be an issue relative to timing (runtime) due to differences in electricity , but I am not sure about the transmission standard being much of an issue today....maybe. It definitely was an issue back in the days of Videotape. I could be wrong but I think that Region 4 encompasses countries that use Pal and some use the SECAM broadcast standard. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | Everything about the profile has been copied too, not just the Disc IDs.
Subtitle information is different on both versions. Video Format is different. Region codes are different. The Disc IDs just shouldn't match. | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with you on the rest. but as I described I am not certain about the DiscIDs, Grey. I am inclined to agree but I can't say that with certainty.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: June 5, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 93 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: Quoting reybr:
Quote: Quoting Dr Pavlov:
Quote: why would I as warner create separate versions for 2, 3 or 4
Skip
Because R2 are mostly PAL countries Reybr:
That's a valid comment, but I am not sure of it's relevancy today. Region 0 titles are sold everywhere and the transmission standard is not relevant in such cases. There might be an issue relative to timing (runtime) due to differences in electricity , but I am not sure about the transmission standard being much of an issue today....maybe. It definitely was an issue back in the days of Videotape. I could be wrong but I think that Region 4 encompasses countries that use Pal and some use the SECAM broadcast standard.
Skip I can't think of a single UK-locality DVD release that I've seen that is encoded as NTSC. I just don't think it would happen, except by mistake. There are too many old TVs out there that don't support NTSC frequencies. Yes, newer TVs are bi-frequency, but DVD technology is old and has to work on old equipment. Region 0 discs are normally encoded for the region that they are released in, so NTSC in Region 1, PAL in Region 2, etc. If you buy Region 0 NTSC discs in the UK, they will be imports, so not native UK-locality (with UPC code, not EAN). And if USA-spec discs were released in the UK, the DVD subtitles would be in a foreign language | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here | | | Last edited: by Lewpy |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I agree with you on the rest. but as I described I am not certain about the DiscIDs, Grey. I am inclined to agree but I can't say that with certainty.
Skip I'm also not certain, but I think the Disc Id depends of the ToC (Table of content), so it is much more possible that if the Disc has other content, it also has another disc id. |
| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote: I agree with you on the rest. but as I described I am not certain about the DiscIDs, Grey. I am inclined to agree but I can't say that with certainty.
Skip I can't say for certain either, but it seems very likely that they have just been copied over. Even the disc descriptions are identical, such as 'Episodes 19-24 & Bonus Features'. Would it harm to have these removed on the Region 2 profile until someone can prove that the Disc ID's ARE valid for this Region? There is no documentation to support it at all and the original contribution by 'sgayler' in October 2008 purely says 'New UK DVD' which doesn't explain where the information came from in any way. |
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