Interesting results thus far.  I honestly expected the "don't cares" to be much higher as I figured a lot of folks just aren't that anal about their cast stuff.  What really surprises me is the number who like it the way it is.  This implies that they not only care about the cast data, but it doesn't bother them that the majority of the existing uncredited data has never been verified.

I'm not sure what that says...I care enough to register the fact that I don't care? 

What's really astounding is the high consent with "I like it as it is"   

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I generally don't care about uncredited cast in newer movies because they're mostly just walk-on cameos or very minor parts, but for older movies they can make up the majority of the cast and I wouldn't want to lose that.

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What's really astounding is the high consent with "I like it as it is"   

Some of us have put a lot of effort into documenting uncredited cast (contacting actors via email, doing research in books, etc.) and contributing them.  There's an assumption amongst many of you that uncredited is nothing by IMDB clones, and that just isn't true for every profile.  Frankly, the pointless desire to wipe out all this effort is highly annoying.

But do whatever the hell you want.  I'm no longer going to contribute, and I'm no longer going to download updates.  happy funtime it. 

I don't mind the way it is. 

And I'll go along with James, I would imagine that more than half the uncredited are correct (Whether or not documented).  Undocumented does not necessarily mean right or wrong, just undocumented (otherwise, a lot of the pre-change profiles would be wrong, and it is difficult to remove Uncredited cast from those)

What really needs to happen, is a way to prove a negative (prove an actor/actress does not appear in a movie). Somehow, we need to make it possible to remove uncredited cast when warranted.

I have no quarrel with the removal of (scene deleted).

I didn't vote, because none of the options really apply to what I'm thinking of the situation.

The first option, to remove all that crap and make it local only doesn't sit well with me. There have been some very big actors/singers/whatever in uncredited roles, and I think it's only proper to have them listed, including in the online.

The second option to start all over with good documentation, is, with absolutely no offense meant, a pain in the arse. I know I've done proper documentation just in the past couple of weeks to get actors into the system in uncredited roles. Jack Black in I Still Know What You Did Last Summer springs to mind. I was updating the profiles to fix something else, and for all the profiles he didn't appear in, I made specific documenation of the time he first appears on screen, even uploaded a screen shot in case someone asked for it. To have that work removed (which is WAY less than what a lot of other members have done) would be counter productive. He does appear, he's been documented, people have taken the time to do it properly, and now it's going to be removed and have to be done again? Wouldn't be done by me this time. Making more work for yourself is silly.

The third option of I like the way it is now doesn't sit well either. I recently removed uncredited cast from the Canadian Edition of Darkness Falls which included an exact clone of IMDB data, right down to Matt Brown (X). (I think his name was Matt Brown). There's obviously more of that out there, so there's still a problem. Leaving it alone isn't going to solve it.

The fourth option of let us enter whatever we want is... well... all hell would break loose probably. 

And I'm not neutral on the situation either.

What I really wish would happen, is that people could relax and chill out a bit, and not be so frustratingly anal when it comes to removing uncredited cast. People would really give me a no vote to just remove Matt Brown (X) from Darkness Falls because I can't prove he's NOT in the film??    If someone can explain how that makes sense, I'm all ears. I'd have to upload a screen shot of every single scene in the film where someone new appears on film and know every single one of their names to remove a guy with an X behind his name? (I realize I probably wouldn't get no votes to remove that, but as an example...).

That to me, is taking things to the EXTREME extreme and is a perfect example of making things infinitely harder than they have to be (and scaring off potential buyers/users with a system that's much harder than it needs to be).

There's a middle ground in there, probably a simple revision of the rules in regards to the removal of uncredited cast, that's got to make things easier than they are now...

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Quoting goblinsdoitall:

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What's really astounding is the high consent with "I like it as it is"   

Some of us have put a lot of effort into documenting uncredited cast (contacting actors via email, doing research in books, etc.) and contributing them.  There's an assumption amongst many of you that uncredited is nothing by IMDB clones, and that just isn't true for every profile.  Frankly, the pointless desire to wipe out all this effort is highly annoying.

But do whatever the hell you want.  I'm no longer going to contribute, and I'm no longer going to download updates.  happy funtime it. 

I never doubted that there are well researched and documented uncredited cast entries, what I doubt is that this counts for the majority of the uncrediteds.
While I think that Patsa has a very valid point with his old movies and you with your researched entries are correct too, I still don't like it as it is. But this counts only for the old entries from Intervocative times, which usually didn't get verified at all (with some exceptions). But that's the problem with generalizations, there's always someone hit who didn't deserve it.

What I'd like to see is a well thought restart, where we keep what's been added after the migration to Invelos and has (hopefully) been documented. And remove all undocumented legacy data from Intervocative times. Since this would mean a hell of work (someone has to go and check the verification of every single uncredited cast member and will therefore probably never be seen again), it's quite unlikely that this will ever happen.
So this leaves us two options: Either we delete all uncredited cast in one go (server-side) and reenter them where we find documentation. Or we all take our profiles and go checking for ourselves which of the uncredited cast is correct and which is not.
In times to come both options should end up in a correct database.

Almost forgot: To whom it may concern: I don't really believe that my first post in this thread violated any forum rules. Kindly remember that awarding red arrows simply for disagreeing with someones opinion is considered to be an abuse of the reputation system and may result in submitter rating reduction and/or rating permission removal.