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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,278 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have the Hong Kong legend 'Yuen Woo Ping' entered six different ways in my personal database...
Yuen Woo//Ping=61/90
Yuen//Woo Ping=61/90
Yuen/Woo/Ping=61/90
Woo-ping//Yuen=74/149
Yuen Wo//Ping=24/44
Yuen//Wo Ping=24/44
I would be interested to know your opinions on how he should best be entered... |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | The CLT does not look at parsing so...
Yuen Woo//Ping=61/90
Yuen//Woo Ping=61/90
Yuen/Woo/Ping=61/90
...are all seen as the exact same credit. What I mean is, they are all a credit of 'Yuen Woo Ping', just parsed differently.
The same goes for...
Yuen Wo//Ping=24/44
Yuen//Wo Ping=24/44
That means we really only have 3 credits for this person:
Woo-ping Yuen=74/149
Yuen Woo Ping=61/90
Yuen Wo Ping=24/44
Based on those numbers, the common name is 'Woo-ping Yuen'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 940 |
| | Posted: | | | | First, welcome to the forums.
The parsing differences of Yuen Woo Ping 61/90 and Yuen Wo Ping 24/44 are 2 variants credited to the same sets films, the CLT does not care about parsing.
Since you didn't provide any information on the actual credit, it's hard to give any other opinion. If these are all credits that have been romanized from an Asian Language credits, it becomes even more difficult.
If the screen credit is Yuen Woo Ping, then I'd parse it 1/2/3. Some people will try to determine the family name/given name of Asian names and enter them into profiler First Name: given name Last Name: family name. That method results in name variants that might not exist if all of them are actually listed in the credits as Family/Given and people follow that order (the correct method).
There is a sticky at the top (post 3) of the contribution discussion forum about romanizing Asian names, and you can see the various opinions on this topic there.
Sorry I wasn't able to be of more help, but someone will come along with more, I'm sure. | | | | Kevin |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,278 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's not really what I'm asking. I want to correct these so they are all under one common name. Now I realise that the most common one on the CLT at the moment appears to be 'Woo-ping Yuen=74/149' but is this really the name I should alter all the others to? Normally I would go for that, but 'Yuen Woo Ping' is how he is known in all the films he has made in the west.
Pretty sure that the family name is 'Woo Ping' as this is sometimes hyphenated as 'Woo-Ping' so that's not going to be a problem.
The question is - Do I go ahead and make the changes to 'Woo-ping Yuen' even though he's going to be known as 'Yuen Woo Ping' on every film he makes from now on? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
That's not really what I'm asking. I want to correct these so they are all under one common name. Now I realise that the most common one on the CLT at the moment appears to be 'Woo-ping Yuen=74/149' but is this really the name I should alter all the others to? Normally I would go for that, but 'Yuen Woo Ping' is how he is known in all the films he has made in the west.
Pretty sure that the family name is 'Woo Ping' as this is sometimes hyphenated as 'Woo-Ping' so that's not going to be a problem.
The question is - Do I go ahead and make the changes to 'Woo-ping Yuen' even though he's going to be known as 'Yuen Woo Ping' on every film he makes from now on? Yuen is his family name. His given name is 'Woo Ping' ('Woo-ping'). pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
That's not really what I'm asking. I want to correct these so they are all under one common name. Now I realise that the most common one on the CLT at the moment appears to be 'Woo-ping Yuen=74/149' but is this really the name I should alter all the others to? Normally I would go for that, but 'Yuen Woo Ping' is how he is known in all the films he has made in the west. This is why we have the CLT...to remove user preference from the mix. It doesn't matter how he is known, it only matters how he is most often credited. Quote:
Pretty sure that the family name is 'Woo Ping' as this is sometimes hyphenated as 'Woo-Ping' so that's not going to be a problem.
The question is - Do I go ahead and make the changes to 'Woo-ping Yuen' even though he's going to be known as 'Yuen Woo Ping' on every film he makes from now on? This is one of the major flaws in the CLT...the common name may change over time. Still, we have to abide by the current results unless they can be proven wrong. So, assuming the credits are correct, ''Woo-ping Yuen' would be the common name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 302 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Woo-ping): Just FYI
Chinese name: ???
Pinyin: Yuán Hépíng (Mandarin)
Jyutping: Jyun4 Wo4ping4 (Cantonese)
Yuen Woo Ping
Yuen Woo-ping
This is a Chinese name; the family name is Yuen. Woo-ping//Yuen [ credited as: 'Yuen Woo Ping' ] should be the best way for your personal database. edit: this forum don't accept unicode... so no chinese names possible, sorry | | | regards, Mad -
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Simply 'Yuen Woo// Ping' is good enough, if this is how he is credited. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting GreyHulk:
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That's not really what I'm asking. I want to correct these so they are all under one common name. Now I realise that the most common one on the CLT at the moment appears to be 'Woo-ping Yuen=74/149' but is this really the name I should alter all the others to? Normally I would go for that, but 'Yuen Woo Ping' is how he is known in all the films he has made in the west.
This is why we have the CLT...to remove user preference from the mix. It doesn't matter how he is known, it only matters how he is most often credited.
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Pretty sure that the family name is 'Woo Ping' as this is sometimes hyphenated as 'Woo-Ping' so that's not going to be a problem.
The question is - Do I go ahead and make the changes to 'Woo-ping Yuen' even though he's going to be known as 'Yuen Woo Ping' on every film he makes from now on?
This is one of the major flaws in the CLT...the common name may change over time. Still, we have to abide by the current results unless they can be proven wrong. So, assuming the credits are correct, ''Woo-ping Yuen' would be the common name. Unicus is correct and this will always be true, there are some users who simply go ballistic at the idea of JUST reading what is On Screen WITHOUT any kind of translation. Yet another case of wanting to have the "correct" name instead of the credited name. We aren't sending birthday cards to these people. it is simply data and the way in which that data is portrayed on screen. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Then I will go with 'Woo-Ping Yuen'. But we are going to need to change them all eventually. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
The question is - Do I go ahead and make the changes to 'Woo-ping Yuen' even though he's going to be known as 'Yuen Woo Ping' on every film he makes from now on? How do you know if he's going to be known as 'Yuen Woo Ping' on every film he makes from now on? | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 201 |
| | Posted: | | | | the family name is Yuen.
Woo-Ping Yuen is correct than
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Woo_Ping
Other names : ???
Yuan Da Yan
Yuan He Ping
Yuán Hépíng
Yuan Ta Yen
Yuan2 He2 Ping2
Yuen Dai Aan
Yuen Dai An
Yuen Woh Ping |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
Then I will go with 'Woo-Ping Yuen'. But we are going to need to change them all eventually. While Woo-Ping Yuen is currently common in the CLT it would be prudent before changing them to determine if Woo-Ping Yuen is really the most common. Are there some titles listed as Woo-Ping Yuen that should be Yuen Woo Ping and how would that change the numbers. If you can determine another variant should be common that could be used instead. You could use this thread to present the basic numbers and others will certainly chime in to help verify them. Here's an example thread. The point is the Lookup Table numbers are not gospel, they are simply a starting point. You cannot assume they are correct (because all to often they are not). | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting nimrod85: Quote:
the family name is Yuen.
Woo-Ping Yuen is correct than
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Woo_Ping
Other names : ???
Yuan Da Yan
Yuan He Ping
Yuán Hépíng
Yuan Ta Yen
Yuan2 He2 Ping2
Yuen Dai Aan
Yuen Dai An
Yuen Woh Ping Not relevant, nimrod. We are not the Department of Motor Vehicles or the IRS, we are DVDProfiler. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting GreyHulk:
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Then I will go with 'Woo-Ping Yuen'. But we are going to need to change them all eventually.
While Woo-Ping Yuen is currently common in the CLT it would be prudent before changing them to determine if Woo-Ping Yuen is really the most common. Are there some titles listed as Woo-Ping Yuen that should be Yuen Woo Ping and how would that change the numbers.
If you can determine another variant should be common that could be used instead.
You could use this thread to present the basic numbers and others will certainly chime in to help verify them. Here's an example thread.
The point is the Lookup Table numbers are not gospel, they are simply a starting point. You cannot assume they are correct (because all to often they are not). I agree, tweeter. My guess is the database has been corrupted by users not following the Rules and simply following cultural norms.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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