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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,230 |
| | Posted: | | | | Apologies if this has been asked before, but is there a protocal to follow when entering the rating details from the back of the box if they only appeat in table form? For example, the original UK R2 release of Armageddon says: Language Twice, strong Sex/Nudity Infrequent mild references Violence Infrequent, mild Other Space action drama You can see it on the BBFC website. I think entering it in a list looks silly so think it would be better to make a sentence like those found on most release, in this case 'Two Instances of Strong Language, Infrequent Mild References to Sex/Nudity and Infrequent Mild Violence'. Seems better than something like "Occasional, Strong Language, Infrequent, Mild Sexual References and Infrequent, Mild Violence" which has a punctuation overdose! Opinions? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | IMHO it should be contributed as:-
Twice, Strong Language: Infrequent Mild Sex References: Infrequent Mild Violence
which would give reference too the table format but also keeping the rating info concise.
Steve
Edit: The idea behind contributions is Still not to invent things that aren't there | | | | Last edited: by snarbo |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | | Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
IMHO it should be contributed as:-
Twice, Strong Language: Infrequent Mild Sex References: Infrequent Mild Violence
which would give reference too the table format but also keeping the rating info concise.
Steve
Edit: The idea behind contributions is Still not to invent things that aren't there "Twice, Strong Language" doesn't make sense to me. And the colons are used incorrectly. How about a sentence or phrase for each class: Strong Language Twice; Infrequent Mild Sex References; Infrequent Mild Violence; Space Action Drama. | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
| | Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,230 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
Strong Language Twice; Infrequent Mild Sex References; Infrequent Mild Violence; Space Action Drama. That's better as the colons in Snarbo's post were attaching the information to the wrong category. With yours the frequency is before the category except with language - it's the 'twice' which is problematic. I thought what I suggested was more in line with what the BBFC currently issues and reads better. The only way to make it fit in a single box is to re-order it until it makes sense and reflects the content. What I've suggested is an extreme version, the other two suggested here are re-ordered to a lesser degree but also read less well. Unless a four box system is introduced there'll be no perfect solution so I'll lock mine in my local. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would agree with Caleb's re-wording except I'd maybe drop the "Space Action Drama" bit as it doesn't really have anything to do with the rating.
edit: while I agree with Nosferatu's first post that "Occasional, Strong Language, Infrequent, Mild Sexual References and Infrequent, Mild Violence" looks awful and is a bit confusing I don't think we need to go as far as to try and construct complete coherent sentences out of the information. I think Caleb's bullet-point style list does the job without straying too far from the original. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Without going into details of colons and exact word order I do 100% back the "sentencising" of the table info in the way described above as it fits in better with the normal fashion, is easier to read (as tryiing to reproduce a table format layout won't be possible). Any readable sentence matching the back cover's intent i would Yes vote on.
BTW this sentence approach can also help with problems with very long, repeated descriptions which will not fit into the field if you use (as some people believe): Language: 'language commet', Sex/Nudity: 'sex nudity comment' etc):
Eg. on Baise-Moi:
Language Frequent, very strong
Sex/Nudity Frequent, very strong
Violence Frequent, very strong
Other Some hard drug use
I contributed as:
Frequent Very Strong Language, Sex/Nudity and Violence, Some Hard Drug Use
as any other way would mean running out of space!
... FWIW on the topic, wrt screeners, I did have a contribution in a sentence format, based on a table, which got 1 No vote and 4 Yes votes. The screeners passed it so they are obviously sympathetic to the sentence approach and certainly do not consider it incorrect. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
"Twice, Strong Language" doesn't make sense to me. And the colons are used incorrectly. How about a sentence or phrase for each class:
Strong Language Twice; Infrequent Mild Sex References; Infrequent Mild Violence; Space Action Drama. This does, indeed, sound like the best choice. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Given the limited space, it's inevitable that some compromises have to be made; it seems to me better to not be an exact copy but get the sense across than to be a duplicate but truncated so half the information is omitted. Neither one is going to be precisely the same as the original so you may as well get the meaning. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Today i've seen a contribution handling rating details as those mentioned like this
15 : LANGUAGE: Some mild, one strong, SEX/NUDITY: Some moderate references, VIOLENCE: Infrequent mild, OTHER: Infrequent drug references
Which is probably the way i'd do it as well, hopefully we can agree on how this should be dealt with before everybody starts doing their own thing and i have to locally 'correct' them all. Obviously i want rating details from the UK locally whch are the same on the cover to be the same inprofiler as well and i wouldn't be very happy if i'd had to locally to them all ot get them to match.
Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
hopefully we can agree on how this should be dealt with before everybody starts doing their own thing and i have to locally 'correct' them all. Obviously i want rating details from the UK locally whch are the same on the cover to be the same inprofiler as well and i wouldn't be very happy if i'd had to locally to them all ot get them to match.
Good luck!  I'm afraid what you're describing in your last sentence is exactly what we're stuck with. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
Today i've seen a contribution handling rating details as those mentioned like this
15 : LANGUAGE: Some mild, one strong, SEX/NUDITY: Some moderate references, VIOLENCE: Infrequent mild, OTHER: Infrequent drug references
Which is probably the way i'd do it as well, hopefully we can agree on how this should be dealt with before everybody starts doing their own thing and i have to locally 'correct' them all. Obviously i want rating details from the UK locally whch are the same on the cover to be the same inprofiler as well and i wouldn't be very happy if i'd had to locally to them all ot get them to match.
Paul I see two prolems with this example...the use of all caps and all lower case. The rules say, "For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc." There is no provision for using all caps for some words and lower case for the rest. Other than that, it looks fine. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting paulb_99: Quote:
Today i've seen a contribution handling rating details as those mentioned like this
15 : LANGUAGE: Some mild, one strong, SEX/NUDITY: Some moderate references, VIOLENCE: Infrequent mild, OTHER: Infrequent drug references I think that you are referring to my Family Guy contribution. For my opinion that method is as close as it's printed on cover and therefore easy, because you don't have to master the english language to be able to contribute those. BTW, actual Rating Detail begins with word LANGUAGE, "15:" part is taken from from Rating field and shouldn't be added to Rating Details field. | | | | Last edited: by Kulju |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting paulb_99:
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Today i've seen a contribution handling rating details as those mentioned like this
15 : LANGUAGE: Some mild, one strong, SEX/NUDITY: Some moderate references, VIOLENCE: Infrequent mild, OTHER: Infrequent drug references
Which is probably the way i'd do it as well, hopefully we can agree on how this should be dealt with before everybody starts doing their own thing and i have to locally 'correct' them all. Obviously i want rating details from the UK locally whch are the same on the cover to be the same inprofiler as well and i wouldn't be very happy if i'd had to locally to them all ot get them to match.
Paul
I see two prolems with this example...the use of all caps and all lower case. The rules say, "For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc." There is no provision for using all caps for some words and lower case for the rest. Other than that, it looks fine. Yes you are right according to the rules, i like the way it's been put into the profile though and still would really like a solution we'd all agree on (or a explanation in the rules), so i don't have to redo them all locally. Paul |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 868 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting paulb_99:
Quote:
Today i've seen a contribution handling rating details as those mentioned like this
15 : LANGUAGE: Some mild, one strong, SEX/NUDITY: Some moderate references, VIOLENCE: Infrequent mild, OTHER: Infrequent drug references
I think that you are referring to my Family Guy contribution. For my opinion that method is as close as it's printed on cover and therefore easy, because you don't have to master the english language to be able to contribute those. BTW, actual Rating Detail begins with word LANGUAGE, "15:" part is taken from from Rating field and shouldn't be added to Rating Details field. You are right, and as i said i agree with you, I think Unicus is right though about capitalization. Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
I think that you are referring to my Family Guy contribution. For my opinion that method is as close as it's printed on cover and therefore easy, As you'll have seen, I personally prefer 'sentencising' for the various reasons talked about above... however I would not No vote doing it your way so long as the Rules are followed... but you haven't followed the Rules because you have not capitalised to Title Case. Whether I agree with the Title Case rule, or whether 'as written' is easier (especially for non-English speakers) is neither here nor there (FWIW I don't actually agree with the title case rule!) - the Rules is the Rule and I have to vote No if you don't follow it. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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