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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,044 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have noticed of late where some contributors are only changing the back cover leaving the prerelease front cover art intact, any one whose has been doing this awhile knows that the prerelease cover art seldom match the retail cover art exactly to me this represents nothing more than laziness and violation of the spirit of the rules about scans. This is only my opinion.  Rory  | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see why. Assuming the new back cover art is correct and replaces an inferior or incorrect one, it's still a valid and valuable contribution. We all do our little part, someone else will fill in the missing bits. At least I hope that is the spirit we aim for, not to complain about other people's well intended contributions. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rory I always vote No to such Contributions for the exact reason you stated in your post and in your title.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the same way as Rory... but I wouldn't feel right voting no since it does not say in the rules you have to do both front and back scans. At the same time I will not vote yes for such a contribution either. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quite simply, any no votes on situations like this are wrong. As Pete notes, you are not required to do both covers.
An example springs to mind where I couldn't scan the front cover. That was for the limited edition Hellboy II Blu-ray. No matter how many times I scanned it, I could not get a decent image. The back was fine so I only submitted that. I think it would have been extremely wrong to decline it on that basis. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Forget. There could be a number of reasons why the front wasn't scanned: damage, an obtrusive sticker, reflective or lenticular surfaces etc.
If the back cover scan is an improvement, then a "no" vote is invalid and against the rules. As Pete says, you don't have to vote "yes" either. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ditto Forget & North. |
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,044 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Forget and north While I do note that there are some justified exceptions (ie highly reflective slip covers where the keep case art is different or lenticular covers, Bender's Big Score comes to mind.) to give an example of what I am referring to is covers like the current Babylon A.D., I got a no vote on my scan because of the colors didn't match the prerelease. My scan colors were spot on compared to the retail cover art but admittedly not the prerelease art. This is to what I am referring. I not carping about the no vote per say but the fact the individual does not seem to be fazed by the obvious differance between the two. I like some other will not vote yes or no in such cases. Rory | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rory, That's a completely different situation then. I would ALWAYS accept an actual release cover over a pre-release. Your original post refers to not replacing pre-release cover art. For those, it's not wrong if you don't change it (lazy possibly, depending on the cover but not wrong). Voting No on replacing a pre-release with final artwork is different and should not be done in my opinion. Hope this clears up my view of it  | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,044 |
| | Posted: | | | | @Forget I do apologise for not making the thread more discriptive. (Mea Culpa) Rory  | | | DVD Profiler for iOS as of 3/5/2013
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 |  Posts: 232 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know how those pre-release cover scans would look like, but is it even allowed to contribute scans which are not from teh actual covers.
The biggest problem here would maybe be that when it's released and someone thinks about contributing the actual covers, they see there allready are cover-scans contributed, hence they might think that their release is a newer one, and they should not contribute the scans. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course it is allowed. The rules even tell us to use the front cover pre-release image in both the front and back cover spots if the back cover is not available before the release. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 28, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Quite simply, any no votes on situations like this are wrong. As Pete notes, you are not required to do both covers.
An example springs to mind where I couldn't scan the front cover. That was for the limited edition Hellboy II Blu-ray. No matter how many times I scanned it, I could not get a decent image. The back was fine so I only submitted that. I think it would have been extremely wrong to decline it on that basis. I had this happen with one of my submissions, where no matter what I tried I was unable to get a good scan of the front. I noted this in my contribution notes, and did not get any "no" votes. | | | | Randy Compton | Farmington NY |
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 | | Posts: 232 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Of course it is allowed. The rules even tell us to use the front cover pre-release image in both the front and back cover spots if the back cover is not available before the release. Couldn't find this in the rules, can you please tell me where to find it, or quote? I found this however: Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database | | | | Last edited: by Gemini76 |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gemini76: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Of course it is allowed. The rules even tell us to use the front cover pre-release image in both the front and back cover spots if the back cover is not available before the release.
Couldn't find this in the rules, can you please tell me where to find it, or quote?
I found this however:
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The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database I suppose it doesn't specifically say that, but the part in question is this - Quote:
Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Contribution Rules --> Cover Images: Quote:
Cover Images
Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:
* The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality.
* Image size must be at least as large as the existing online covers. If you don't have a premium registration, you will be unable to verify this. Therefore, submit only images you have personally scanned at 100 DPI or higher.
* If you scan images for your personal database at a quality that are higher than 100 DPI, you may still submit them. If accepted, they will automatically be downsized for inclusion in the main database.
* Image quality must be at least on par with the existing online covers. Covers that are larger than existing images but are of inferior clarity will not be accepted.
* Images must not contain extra watermarks, autographs, or site links.
* Images must be of the front and back only. Do not include the spine in either the front or back image.
* Make sure neither front nor back is of lesser quality than the existing scans.
* If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.
* If a title is re-released with the same UPC, but different cover images do not contribute the new images. This includes cases where a DVD was initially released in a slipcase, which was later removed. As explained in the introduction you may use your personal images in your local database, but they will not show online.
* Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places.
* HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs in either HD Slim or HD Keep Case type cases without slip covers should be scanned without the HD banner. See the rule I put in Bold | | | | Pete |
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