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| Registered: February 10, 2008 |  Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hi,
since there's a lot of talking about Company names, I'd like to throw this one in... Why not change all 20th Century Fox entries to Twentieth Century Fox like already done with 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment to Twentieth Century Home Entertainment. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | They should be! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Be careful.
There are a lot of entries that i know that people are not following the Rules. If the creds, NOT the logo, read 20th then so be it. There are many entries for Twentieth Century-Fox that are being IMPROPERLY changed to Twentieth Century foix. Follow the Rules and Copy the Credited name. Most Studios have used many name variants over the years, just go with what the credits sayy. Don't interpret and don;'t change the data to suit your personal preferences, it will only have to be re-corrected at some future date by somebody and that somebody should be very angry at having to RE_EDIT data that was improperly changed.
The logo would only be applicable if 20th is the Theatrical Distributor.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: February 10, 2008 | | Posts: 244 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, most DVDs I own are of German locality and there are a lot of "20th" instead of "Twentieth" entries... I guess most contributers just looked at the company-logo...
So maybe this could also be solved by using a filter like with 20th to Twentieth Century Home Entertainment. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, I'd say "mildly annoyed" rather than "very angry". |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Follow the Rules and Copy the Credited name. Follow the rules, indeed. Except they don't say to "Copy the Credited name" - and rightly so, of course! As for "20th Century Fox" - yes, a similar filter like we have for the "Home Entertainment" division would be helpful. The "20th" entries in the database are virtually ALL wrong. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Filters are a bad idea in this setting, as a Theatrical distributor 20th could be correct, as a Production Studio you could have 20th, Twentieth Century Fox or Twentieth Century-Fox, a filter would thus make incorrect changes to the database.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | A filter for the following should be fine:
20th Century Fox = Twentieth Century Fox
20th Century-Fox = Twentieth Century-Fox
Anything else probably needs to be manually verified and entered. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
20th Century-Fox = Twentieth Century-Fox I'd filter that one to "Twentieth Century Fox" as well. I honestly believe that there are no more then a dozen users (I was tempted to say five, but I'll try to be optimistic) who are interested in recording the difference between "Twentieth Century Fox" and "Twentieth Century-Fox". They refer, after all, to the same company. If you ask me, the rules-prescribed "correct name" for this studio is "Twentieth Century Fox". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say absolutely not, Hal. If you change a 20th (Theatrical Distributor) to Twentieth via filter, then you have created an error which later has to be corrected. The answer, to understand what we are doing and enter the data CORRECTLY, it falls to each of us as users toi enter correct data and stop entering data that WE might want, such data as you know, belongs in the LOCAL but not the Online. There is a method to the system and to what might appear as madness.
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Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
If you change a 20th (Theatrical Distributor) to Twentieth via filter, then you have created an error which later has to be corrected. Of course not! For the record: does a "20th Century Fox" credit actually exist? I sure haven't seen one, but it could be possible, of course. Even if it did occur once or twice, I would consider that to be the error, instead of the other way around. As for the rest: look at how well the "20th" -> "Twentieth" filter works for the "Home Entertainment" branch works? Did that create errors which will later have to be corrected? Not at all! Before different users were using different methods to enter these, and that inconsistency is now solved. Absolutely great!! IMHO, the more we see of such measures, the better. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay, Tim let me make this very simple. I, for one thing, will never say never, I learned long ago that is dangerous. Could there be a 20th...absolutely yes ther can, I would expect to find it in two different settings, on e as the Theatrical Distributor, that would be the logo with no toher refernce to Twnetieth in the credits. Warner does this all the time. 20th is certainly not a contemporary credit for the production company, but it could well be a golden oldie and if it is then so be it.<shakes head> Why do i have to explain everything as if i were....never mind. Let me simply say that you are once again you are interested in arguing a fine point, without any true comprehension of it. You can be offended if you wish but i am offended by the lack of understanding. The data is the data is the data PERIOD and the data says WHATEVER it says, NOT what I want it to say, not what you want it to say, not what anyone else wants it to say.  Skip<shakes head sadly> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Follow the Rules and Copy the Credited name.
Follow the rules, indeed. Except they don't say to "Copy the Credited name" - and rightly so, of course! Neither do they say to use a 'common name'. The rule is open to interpretation so I conducted a poll, back in March 2007, in the rules forum...38 of 43 opted for 'as credited'. Of those 38, 18 prefered 'as credited' with deviation being allowed with documentation. Only 5 people wanted to use the common name method of the, now defunct, studio thread. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Neither do they say to use a 'common name'. The rules use the term "correct names for studios" without defining what that is, and also tell us not to abbreviate. Whatever it may mean, it certainly doesn't ring "as credited" to me - and quite rightly so. I'm just sharing what my personal interpretation of it is - nothing more. We've been around this block far too many times already, and I really don't feel like starting over again, especially since it's already clear that we're not going to get anywhere from the get-go. I don't even believe I actually HAVE a "Twentieth Century-Fox" credit (with the dash) in my collection, so I'm really not going to help filling three pages of back-and-forth on it: it doesn't even affect me. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Neither do they say to use a 'common name'.
The rules use the term "correct names for studios" without defining what that is, and also tell us not to abbreviate. Whatever it may mean, it certainly doesn't ring "as credited" to me - and quite rightly so. I'm just sharing what my personal interpretation of it is - nothing more. We've been around this block far too many times already, and I really don't feel like starting over again, especially since it's already clear that we're not going to get anywhere from the get-go. I don't even believe I actually HAVE a "Twentieth Century-Fox" credit (with the dash) in my collection, so I'm really not going to help filling three pages of back-and-forth on it: it doesn't even affect me. Wanna bet?  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The rules use the term "correct names for studios" without defining what that is, and also tell us not to abbreviate. Whatever it may mean, it certainly doesn't ring "as credited" to me - and quite rightly so. I'm just sharing what my personal interpretation of it is - nothing more. We've been around this block far too many times already, and I really don't feel like starting over again, especially since it's already clear that we're not going to get anywhere from the get-go. I agree, the rule is open to interpretation...I believe I said that in my post...which is why I conducted the poll I did. From those results, and from talking to other people, the prefered method seems to be 'as credited' with some wiggle room for the odd abbreviated on screen credit. Quote:
I don't even believe I actually HAVE a "Twentieth Century-Fox" credit (with the dash) in my collection, so I'm really not going to help filling three pages of back-and-forth on it: it doesn't even affect me. If you own any films that were produced between 1935 and 1985, the odds are farily good that you have a 'Twentieth Century-Fox' credit in your collection. Your collection is set to private, so I couldn't check, but I have two of them myself...Miracle on 34th Street (1947) and The Poseidon Adventure (1972). Small bit of history: Twentieth Century Fox was created by the merger of two film companies...Twentieth Century Pictures and Fox Film Corporation. The hyphenated form of the name was used to show that merger. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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