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Roots 25th anniverasy vs 30th anniversary
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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Hello all,

I have tried to contribute Roots 30th Anniversary but I am getting some pos/neg feedback on that submission. The main reason (neg): it is a remake (to that I answer this: the 25th anniversary is not available on amazone.com and .ca. DVD Empire does not carry it either. Does that mean that we cannot have both version since if someone was to purchase that serie, they would either get the Full peace meal deal (Roots and Roots second generation) or 30th anniversary and the Database Invelos to reflect only the 25th anniversary?? I am trying very hard to contribute to this database because I feel I have to give to those who kindly give back!
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I think we need a bit more info to be able to answer your question.

Do these two releases share the same UPC/EAN? And do the discs share the same Disc IDs?
If the answer to both questions is Yes, then it becomes impossible for the program to distinguish between both releases, as these two variables are the only two DVD Profiler is able to use as an identifier (provided we're talking about two releases in one and the same region and locality).

And if that's the case, the oldest release should get into the database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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First of you must follow the Rules and not submit whatever cover art you want to submit.

Now as to Roots 25 vs 30. Warner made no changes, save for the packaging from 25 to 30, they used the same disc pressing from the 25th for the 30th, they did add Roots Xmas Story. You will find that BOTH the 25th and 30th are in the Online database ALREADY and the COVER art on both is CORRECT as is.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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"First of", I am following the rule... you have to understand that it is impossible for me (possibly other) to tell if both DVD series are the exact same (UPS, DVD information stored on those) with the exception of "25" and "30" printed on the box. The Box set is very different on those 2 product, the jewel case inside 30th anniversary is as I have submitted them - quite clean and all. and so one.... How am I to know that all the disks included in the 30th edition are the exact same of the 25th? I am trying to contribute positively to this awesome resource provided here... not to 'contaminated' it!

I am not trying to say that "I am right or wrong".. what my issue is: Now we cannot purchase in store the 25th edition since they are now 'gone' and replaced by the 30th edition...

Oh and one last thing... you are incorrect to assume that the cover arts of the Box set, along with the jewel case boxes on this database is the correct version.. it is for the 25th anniversary, not the 30th anniversary. (they are NOT the same)..

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Lost:

NO you are NOT following the Rules in ANY form. The eisting images are the CORRECT images per the Rules.

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I'm afraid you chose the wrong item to contribute (through no fault of your own, I hasten to add). If the 25th and 30th anniversary editions of this set do indeed share the same UPC (which is the impression I'm getting from your posts) and if, as Skip says, even the discs (and therefore the Disc IDs) are the same, then there is just no way the program is able to distinguish the 25th from the 30th anniversary edition.

All you can do then is to make all necessary changes for your local database, but you can't contribute these changes, because the Contribution Rules say that the oldest cover etc. should be in the Invelos database (this is what Skip is referring to when he's talking about the "correct" cover art - he means correct for the central Invelos database).
Can't be helped, I'm afraid.

Please don't let this incident discourage you from contributing in the future. You just happened to pick the wrong item to contribute. Not your fault, rather Warner's fault in not giving the new edition a different UPC (lazy bastards...) and/or different Disc IDs.
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I haven't looked, but chances are one is in the database by UPC (most likely the 25th Anniversary) then the other may be in by Disc ID if both have the same UPC.  You have a couple options.  Try a search by name or insert the disc have it try to find it by disc ID.  Another option you could do is just keep it local.  Use the existing profile, make yours changes like in this case I believe Skip said they added a Xmas thing, lock the profile and then just don't contribute the information.  If someone makes a change you want you can unlock that part of the profile, get the change, and lock it again. 

I see you only registered within the last week so don't get discouraged and don't hesitate to post your questions if you want some clarification before contributing.  There are no stupid questions, just sometimes the answers need clarification
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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thanks... seems that it is a tough crowd.. (indeed if they are the same UPC.. then nothing can be done since the imprint of the DVD would be the same... plus I think the extra is a book which was included... enough said, I am closing the door on this title and will carry on with posting other titles...

Take care!

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I'm having trouble following/understanding this thread, but as far as I can tell the 25th and 30th Anniversary Editions both have different UPCs.  The original contributions have been withdrawn, however the only thing I can think of is that Warner changed the cover art sometime after the 30th Anniversary edition was first released (first and second printings?); hence Skip's comment makes sense in this case.

If this is the case, unfortunately DVDProfiler doesn't accept multiple versions of cover art.  By uploading a newer/updated version of the cover art you're effectively replacing the old cover art in the master database.  Even if this version is no longer sold other users still have that older version.  According to the rules the cover art for the initial release is the accepted version which unfortunately means cover art for subsequent re-releases aren't allowed in the master database.  This is just a minor shortcoming (quirks  ) of the current DVDProfiler program.

Not that this has peaked my interest, I would love to see what images were being contributed and what had changed.

So with that said, welcome to the forum and don't get discouraged.  Since this is a user contributed database we can all appreciate the effort and time each user puts into making sure the database is up to date and correct.
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Lost:

It has nothing to do with UPC, it has t do with you simply are NOT following the Rules. Let me give you some help. Roots 25 was released in Digipak form.. As such the children are NOT individually cased. As such we use the same images as the PARENT profile, not your invention of what you think the Front should be. The existing images are already correct, keep yours LOCALLY ONLY.

Skip
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Lost:

It has nothing to do with UPC, it has t do with you simply are NOT following the Rules. Let me give you some help. Roots 25 was released in Digipak form.. As such the children are NOT individually cased. As such we use the same images as the PARENT profile, not your invention of what you think the Front should be. The existing images are already correct, keep yours LOCALLY ONLY.

Skip


Everyone understands this now and thanks for your help with this.  It was a new user that thought he understood things and needed some clarification.  As we all know, sometimes the rules can be confusing to some.  If they were 100% clear then there wouldn't be people that read them and were still asking for help, clarification, and understanding.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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To the guy who sent me this via email...

"You can should do this locally, buut you should absolutely NOT be trying to change it Online, the Online is not your personal sandbox. The system simply will not accomodate it because of what Warner chose to do. First learn and understand the problem and what causes it, then recognize it for yourself, then follow the rules."

I get it... it is your sandbox..

I also understand "first comes first serve", i.e.: First version of the movie out published in the Invelos database, will be the baseline regardless of what is publish thereafter.. Ok, I get it..

By the way, thanks to the other people who kindly email me productive messages!!!

Have a stress free day..

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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Quoting rdodolak:
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Not that this has peaked my interest, I would love to see what images were being contributed and what had changed.

So with that said, welcome to the forum and don't get discouraged.  Since this is a user contributed database we can all appreciate the effort and time each user puts into making sure the database is up to date and correct.


haha You have my vote..

I do not think it will be possible since they both have the same 'thumb print' ... but all good 
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Lost:

You sound like you still do not understand.

Let me make this very basic for you.

Roots 25 was released Jan 15, 2002 with the following Disc IDs
0CB7EAB52EC0C29A Disc 1 Side A
D8D659C6F4B8B27F Disc 1 Side B
E4AC1AB18DDEB062 Disc 2 Side A
50ED247600D162D6  Disc 2 Side B
ED636D8311601100 Disc 3 Side A
FF2A09F47C138EE3 Disc 3 Side B
Child profiles were setup, with disc Art for Roots 25

Roots 30 released 10/92007
Guess which Disc IDs they used, the EXACT same set of Discs, they repackaged the discs that is ALL.

Sadly because of warner did we cannot setup Child profiles for Roots 30. Per the Rules we only deal with data for the ORIGINAL release of those discs which was in 2002, NOT 2007. The program does not have the ability to handle to separate entries for the same disc ID or UPC#. The ONLY option you have is to handle it LOCALLY, that is what the Rules tell you to do.Its unfortunate but it is what it is, courtesy of Warner Bros...not me.

This was probably the single most annoying release to me, personally, since I have BOTH versions and can ONLY set up ONE set of Children. The pre-release data had led us to believe that there was a new re-mastered print with goodies, it turned out to be the 2002 release, with the addition of Roots: The Next Generation and Roots: The Gift. At least a got a little extra value for the money..<shrugs>

Curse you Warner Bros.

Skip

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLostmule
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I got it.. Which of the 7 languages I speak do you want me to use? (All of which I badly use ).. should have paid more attention at school...

last time.. I G.O.T. I.T. :-)

BTW: you have 3 disks in your last post.. that 30th anniversary has 4 ... just a note..

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wasn't The Gift, the fourth disc??
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