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Uncredited in newly released DVDs.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreaglejd
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Correct me if I am wrong.

Was it not stated somewhere that on a new release DVD, even if you copy cast and crew from an already accepted profile and it contains uncredited, that the uncredited has to be documented in the new release?

On the new release of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (883929004171) BlueRay, I am trying to remove the uncredited because there is not any documentation.

Thanks, Jim
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Why not go all the way and remove uncredited from all the other copies on in data base as well... which is a total of only 8 versions.. all of which only have ( on each copy)  'Two' uncredited.. 
Not too big in my books..
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Yep!  It's the right thing to do.
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Why not go all the way and remove uncredited from all the other copies on in data base as well... which is a total of only 8 versions.. all of which only have ( on each copy)  'Two' uncredited.. 
Not too big in my books..


Good luck with that... I've tried removing undocumented cast from profiles taken driectly from... Er... Another Movie DataBase with no luck.  Even when the original profile being complete incorrect every time I've removed the bogus uncredited entries I've had my submission rejected.
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As I have been told before, releases prior to July 2005 have been grandfathered by Ken Cole and should not be changed.
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Correct me if I am wrong.

Was it not stated somewhere that on a new release DVD, even if you copy cast and crew from an already accepted profile and it contains uncredited, that the uncredited has to be documented in the new release?

On the new release of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (883929004171) BlueRay, I am trying to remove the uncredited because there is not any documentation.

Thanks, Jim


No, that has never been officially stated by Invelos...just a few rabid "uncredited" haters on this forum.

What Ken has said is simply to state in your notes what profiell you copied the cast from.
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The credits for this UPC were contributed by user Vido on January 04, 2005, well before documentation for uncredited was required. According to Ken, any prior to July 2005 is grandfathered.
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The credits for this UPC were contributed by user Vido on January 04, 2005, well before documentation for uncredited was required. According to Ken, any prior to July 2005 is grandfathered.


I agree, but for a new release of the same movie the uncredited have to be documented for the new profile.

Yes, No?
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The credits for this UPC were contributed by user Vido on January 04, 2005, well before documentation for uncredited was required. According to Ken, any prior to July 2005 is grandfathered.


I agree, but for a new release of the same movie the uncredited have to be documented for the new profile.

Yes, No?


Only for a "New" movie with no other version in the database.

For re-releases, it is permissible to copy cast and crew from previously approved profiles in the DVDP database.
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The credits for this UPC were contributed by user Vido on January 04, 2005, well before documentation for uncredited was required. According to Ken, any prior to July 2005 is grandfathered.


I agree, but for a new release of the same movie the uncredited have to be documented for the new profile.

Yes, No?


If uncredited cast & crew copied from an approved profile were included in a new profile for a re-release, the onus is on the screeners to decline the contribution. Since it was approved, their removal now requires justification/documentation.
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The credits for this UPC were contributed by user Vido on January 04, 2005, well before documentation for uncredited was required. According to Ken, any prior to July 2005 is grandfathered.


This is a popular myth.  Ken has never said anything about 'grandfathered' uncredited.  What he did say was that there was no need for wholesale removal of uncredited that were entered prior to documentation being required.

If I am remembering this wrong, please show me the post.
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Ahhh - the old "magic date" 

FWIW I recall the same thing as Unicus
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You gotta love the progression.  We go from no need for wholesale removal, slide neatly into protected "grandfathered" status, and wind up with anything being copied from these "protected" profiles is also sacrosanct.  And we delude ourselves into thinking the online might ever get cleaned up! 

I probably shouldn't even mention how locking this garbage in further screws up the CLT results. 
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Was it not stated somewhere that on a new release DVD, even if you copy cast and crew from an already accepted profile and it contains uncredited, that the uncredited has to be documented in the new release?

If you want to add uncredited cast to a profile (either by copying a list from an other profile or by other means) you have to document them.

On the other hand, if a profile features uncredited accepted cast (documented or not) you have to give documentation to remove them. Simply stating that the existing uncredited cast has not been documented before is not good enough documentation to remove them.
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Was it not stated somewhere that on a new release DVD, even if you copy cast and crew from an already accepted profile and it contains uncredited, that the uncredited has to be documented in the new release?

If you want to add uncredited cast to a profile (either by copying a list from an other profile or by other means) you have to document them.

On the other hand, if a profile features uncredited accepted cast (documented or not) you have to give documentation to remove them. Simply stating that the existing uncredited cast has not been documented before is not good enough documentation to remove them.

Ken has stated that "If the uncredited is a match to IMDb it can be removed".

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I've had no problem getting uncredited removed from recently released discs where Uncredited were propagated from other profiles.  If the predecessor profiles have no documentation i simply state that.

I've tried to get them removed from pre-grandfather-date profiles when they were a very close match to IMDb (solely for that reason) with mixed success.  I mostly don't bother anymore.

I've tried to remove pre-grandfather-date Uncredited that matched IMDb and that I tried to confirm via the web and simply couldn't.  I could find no documentation supporting any of the Uncredited and stated that I "Proved the Negative" and my update was Declined.  Simultaneously i got them removed from a newer release (existing profile) of the same film (i double dipped) with the same notes.

My experience is that post-grandfather-date profiles can generally get have the Uncredited removed by pointing out they aren't documented.  Older profiles...not so much.

I like interesting Uncredited.  I've added some.  The long lists from old profiles are generally just gleaned from other sources (most every time i look they are an obviously close match from 3rd party sources) and i'd prefer they didn't exist in Invelos' database.

They certainly shouldn't be propagated in this database without documentation (or a trace back link to the profile that contains the documentation).
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