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How do big name movies sneak into DVDP with such meager info?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRooster6975
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Just wondering (not a complaint, call it mild consternation).

I just came over from DVD Spot.  I used Mediadogg's BulkEdit to move my collection over to DVDP.  Almost all of my UPC's hit for matches in the db which is great (some mild finagling with Locality cleared up most of the rest), however I have noticed some odd issues.

The vast majority of the DVD profiles pulled down are perfect.  However, I have recently contributed profiles for DVDs whose UPCs were not to be found.  I found it a fairly detailed and time-consuming process (again, not complaining, please bear with me).  That is why I was somewhat surprised to find some of my DVDs with very meager information.  Take for instance "V for Vendetta", without question a very big, well-known movie.  Yet when I look at the profile which was downloaded, it has cover art, exactly 2 people from the cast, no features listed, no crew, an overview in french, no discIDs, etc. etc.  In short, it is missing all the good stuff.

I am wondering how it snuck through, given the stringent standard to which my own submissions were judged.  If it were a very old submission such as from when DVDP was first starting out years ago, I could understand it.  But this is a very recent movie (2006).

Just wondering.  I am going to fill in the rest of the details and submit it, but am very curious.

Thanks,
DD.
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Just wondering (not a complaint, call it mild consternation).

I just came over from DVD Spot.  I used Mediadogg's BulkEdit to move my collection over to DVDP.  Almost all of my UPC's hit for matches in the db which is great (some mild finagling with Locality cleared up most of the rest), however I have noticed some odd issues.

The vast majority of the DVD profiles pulled down are perfect.  However, I have recently contributed profiles for DVDs whose UPCs were not to be found.  I found it a fairly detailed and time-consuming process (again, not complaining, please bear with me).  That is why I was somewhat surprised to find some of my DVDs with very meager information.  Take for instance "V for Vendetta", without question a very big, well-known movie.  Yet when I look at the profile which was downloaded, it has cover art, exactly 2 people from the cast, no features listed, no crew, an overview in french, no discIDs, etc. etc.  In short, it is missing all the good stuff.

I am wondering how it snuck through, given the stringent standard to which my own submissions were judged.  If it were a very old submission such as from when DVDP was first starting out years ago, I could understand it.  But this is a very recent movie (2006).

Just wondering.  I am going to fill in the rest of the details and submit it, but am very curious.

Thanks,
DD.


As you may have already noticed the DB here at DVDP is user built, which also means that the other user/s who have the exact same UPC/EAN version of your DVD's aren't as confident or reliable at putting all the data in. There are no hard and fast rules that state that when you make a contribution you have to supply all the data.

You may see a future possible title at your local cinema on first release say next week, put that title into your wish list (as a manual title), then keep an eye out for information about a possible DVD release, once this information has been sent to the DVD retailers that you might visit (here in the UK I visit Zavvi.co.uk, Play.com & Sendit) to see what titles are upcoming you will then be able to add say possible release dates, SRP, initial cover scans (normally front covers with TBC on them), but once you have an EAN/UPC you can then upload minor details to the online for the rest of the community. Once released things like cast & crew, actual cover scans can be added and submitted.

But also be aware that on the day of release I might find a local retailer might have the same title but with a different EAN/UPC because it may have some additional promotional material with it, so 5 people buy the first indicated EAN/UPC...but 1000 buy the promotional one.

Hope this explains it a little.

Steve
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Another way to see how many times a particular title gets entered into the online DB.

Third icon along the top "Add DVD" Use the Add by Title Tab
Set
Region > Any Region
Locality > Any
Release > Any

Now in the Title window type in the title you are interested in
in your instance "V for Vendetta" returns 44 Profiles.

You could always download a completed one and clone it.

Have fun.

Steve
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLithurge
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There's no requirement to enter all the data, whether it's a totally new profile or adding to an existing one. Some people enjoy entering all the data, some don't.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantRooster6975
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Ah ok, thanks for the answers.  Being completely and utterly anal, I will happily go about updating all of my profiles which have missing data.  :-)

Another question while I have your attention.  How do I determine the precise Release Date?  I read the Contribution Rules which state you want the Original Release Date of the DVD.  Is there a particularly good source for that info on the net?  When searching for my own DVDs, I google the UPC and take the date which is most often given as the release date.  Unfortunately, as you can imagine, there is never consensus amongst the various sites where you can purchase DVDs.  Is there one particularly good and reliable source?

Thanks,
DD.
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I generally look through the various websites based for the UK market, I still use a Region 2 only player, but depending on your locality or whether you use multi region will depend on your sites to check.

Steve
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If it's a completely new entry, not in the database under any locality, I'll generally just add cover scans & the details on the cover. I don't generally bother to add the cast/crew info. Different people like adding different parts of the data so I think overall it works well. Of course, if the film is already in the database I'll copy from that release & update as necessary.
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If it's a completely new entry, not in the database under any locality, I'll generally just add cover scans & the details on the cover. I don't generally bother to add the cast/crew info.


Ah, so it's your fault!  :-)

Actually, one of my favourite features of DVDP is double-clicking on a cast name and having all the other DVDs you own which that actor was in, pop up (same feature existed with DVD Spot).  It's that "where have I seen that guy before?" phenomenon.  Of 481 DVDs added via DVDP, as far as I can tell only about a dozen have meager info.  Not bad.  I'll fill it in for the ones which are not complete.

Tks,
DD.
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Rooster:

We can only add data as it becomes available. You can't add Cast and crew data without the disc in your hand, unless it is re-release but then you must be careful to remove (uncredited) data from a previous profile, they have to be documented. Without the film in your hand where would you get Cast and crew data, don't even think about suggesting IMDb or some other third party source, did you sit in the dark theatre with a notebook in hand.

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I just don't have the energy to sit & watch the credits & then copy them. Especially on some films when they run for 8 minutes. I highly respect those who can do that & will check them over if it's copied from an existing profile.

On the other hand, I do enjoy scanning the covers and spend a couple of hours adjusting some of them to how I think looks best. Of course not all get accepted because what's the best look on covers comes down to each person's personally preference but I still enjoy spending that time on them.
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...Take for instance "V for Vendetta", without question a very big, well-known movie.  Yet when I look at the profile which was downloaded, it has cover art, exactly 2 people from the cast, no features listed, no crew, an overview in french, no discIDs, etc. etc.  In short, it is missing all the good stuff.

I am wondering how it snuck through, given the stringent standard to which my own submissions were judged.  If it were a very old submission such as from when DVDP was first starting out years ago, I could understand it.  But this is a very recent movie (2006).


This is sad, but in fact frequent. In countries where there are few contributors, many very well known movies are not contributed or, are very incomplete.

In the past, new contribution were not submitted to rules as strict as now, and the vote system for modifications didn't exist. Now, ex-contributors who disagree with some of the rules (the obligation to recopy typos in overviews for example), have stopped contributing. As for actors, some people do not want the order of appearance, which sometimes put the main figures far in the list. But rules oblige to list them exactly as in end credit. Users who disagree with that do not contribute actors...

Another problem is the obligation to explain contribution notes in english, even for new contributions. I know two people who wanted to contribute, but they do not speak english. As they didn't understand why their contributions were rejected, they stopped contributing.

...with all that, we get the present situation.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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There's the whine again, surfeur. Since you aren't willing to stand up and help unless we play by YOUR way of doing things, which i don't object to, stopm whining.

Skip
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Billy Video
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Rooster:

We can only add data as it becomes available. You can't add Cast and crew data without the disc in your hand, unless it is re-release but then you must be careful to remove (uncredited) data from a previous profile, they have to be documented. Without the film in your hand where would you get Cast and crew data, don't even think about suggesting IMDb or some other third party source, did you sit in the dark theatre with a notebook in hand.

Skip


There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!
Hal
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Right, hal don't do things RIGHT. Just clog up the database with (undocumented) CRAP because you can't see beyond the end of your nose.

And I'll ALWAYS vote NO to such CRAP. If it's not documented don't expect a YES.

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Billy Video
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There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!


Exact. Rules are yet very complicated (for english speaking people, and I don't tell about people who do not speak english), but there are some users that want even more, just to be sure more users will stop contributing (as they did themselves...)
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Rooster:

We can only add data as it becomes available. You can't add Cast and crew data without the disc in your hand, unless it is re-release but then you must be careful to remove (uncredited) data from a previous profile, they have to be documented. Without the film in your hand where would you get Cast and crew data, don't even think about suggesting IMDb or some other third party source, did you sit in the dark theatre with a notebook in hand.

Skip


There is no requirement under the Rules to do this!


No, not in the rules, but when you contribute this is the requirement:
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For changes to existing profiles, enter a brief description of the changes you've made.

For all contributions, indicate the source of the data, especially cast and crew additions.

Invelos reviewers and fellow users will use this information to help them decide whether to accept the changes, so be sure to provide explanations where needed.


Uncredited cast is not accepted on contribution, unless above requirement is fullfilled.
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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