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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 646 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab -> Import a cast list directly from the master database.
A "Import cast" button on the Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab.
1. When clicked, the action would open a new dialog (lets call it query dialog) and it would also query the master database and return a list matching the title being edited.
2. The user can select a title from that list, possibly preview that cast list.
3. The user can accept the selected title with a click on a button after which the cast list from that selected title will be added to the title being edited in the local database. The user should also be able to cancel the query dialog.
4. The query dialog close and the control is returned to Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab.
What do you think? | | | | Last edited: by xyrano |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't want to encourage that in any way, xyrano. I think we are too free with giving this kind of info to newbs as is and how to accomplish it. I don't want to make it easier. I have several reasons for this(1) are you crosschecking and verifyinmg against the real credits, probably NOT, (2) do you tell other users in your notes exactly which profile you used to accomplish this again based on what i have seen probably not.
WE KNOW that the Cast Crew database is virtually useless for the CLT because people are getting or have gotten bad data into the database. IF you simply copy and don't at least verify the data, then you may very well be creating a copy of bad data and magnifying the problem.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ideas like this come up every once in a while. Even though I see some problems in establishing and maintaining these "reference profiles" I quite like the idea. In addition to the problems seen by Skip at least three other questions have to be answered before we start this Quoting goblinsdoitall:Quote:
There are only three problems here:
1. Who decides which profile can be a reference?
2. What happens if such a profile needs to be changed (common name changed or uncredited cast changed?
3. Should all users be allowed to make changes and if yes, should at least the documentation be harder (screenshots)? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 646 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I don't want to encourage that in any way, xyrano. I think we are too free with giving this kind of info to newbs as is and how to accomplish it. I don't want to make it easier. I have several reasons for this(1) are you crosschecking and verifyinmg against the real credits, probably NOT, (2) do you tell other users in your notes exactly which profile you used to accomplish this again based on what i have seen probably not.
WE KNOW that the Cast Crew database is virtually useless for the CLT because people are getting or have gotten bad data into the database. IF you simply copy and don't at least verify the data, then you may very well be creating a copy of bad data and magnifying the problem.
Skip You know, everything is not about contributing to the master database. The program does not require enyone to contribute a profile. But you know that! Besides the returned list would be equal to the same type of list found when using "Add by title" functionality. The data would come from the master database and that data would already have gone through the contribution process. I talking about already approved data. Savvy? What is stoping me, or anyone else for that matter, to us the "Add by title" and download all "versions" of a single title, copy the cast list from the one I want into my profile? My request was a suggestion to do something that is already possible, quicker.  And verifying something is ONLY neccessary if the intention is to contribute. So, to your 1. is a No. to your 2. is: I haven't contribute any profiles in years and if I were to begin, I would THEN follow the rules. PERIOD. What I keep in my local database is nobodies bussiness.  @goblin ehum... my request was far simpler then all that (including the link).  | | | | Last edited: by xyrano |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree, xyrano. Unforunately i am seeing the users who ARE copying, not verifying and not even including the information on which Profile they copied and some of these are newbs who have either found the directions for how to do it or have figured it out. You are right yuour local IS your business and i don't what you do with it or how you handle data. But the point remains that the possibility exists for you to do as I have described and I can't think of any method that would essentially say if you Copy data from another Profile you can't contribute it, that being the case I would think it is far better to err in favor of the Online data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xyrano: Quote:
@goblin ehum... my request was far simpler then all that (including the link). It might have been meant simpler, but sadly it isn't. In my eyes the only way your suggestion makes sense is, if you can download correct and verified data via your "import cast/crew dialog". And for assuring this you'd have to have some proven correct data. I know that it is possible to copy cast and crew lists from existing profiles, but if you're not rechecking against the actual credits, you'll never be sure what data you have, and it's definitely not the recommended way. The only way a database gives valid information output is if the stored data is valid, but as you said if you keep your data local you can store any information you like. It's just for up- and downloading that you should use correct data. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 646 |
| | Posted: | | | | @skip I see your point and raize you... see answer to goblin. Quoting goblinsdoitall: Quote:
Quoting xyrano:
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@goblin ehum... my request was far simpler then all that (including the link).
It might have been meant simpler, but sadly it isn't. In my eyes the only way your suggestion makes sense is, if you can download correct and verified data via your "import cast/crew dialog". And for assuring this you'd have to have some proven correct data.
I know that it is possible to copy cast and crew lists from existing profiles, but if you're not rechecking against the actual credits, you'll never be sure what data you have, and it's definitely not the recommended way. The only way a database gives valid information output is if the stored data is valid, but as you said if you keep your data local you can store any information you like.
It's just for up- and downloading that you should use correct data. First of all, my request was about cast data and cast data only! Okey? Second, for assurance, step 2 in my request could be broken down even further... say the list returned, beside being able to preview the cast data itself, it could also include a link to the contribution notes, per title. That would sertainly give me ensurance as to what kind of status the data has before I decide to import it to my local database.  Third, the "query dialog" itself, would not be editable, e.g. this risk of poluting cast data with say... external data, would be zero. Fourth, and I'm feeling a bit "off topic" now  , it is still up to each and every one of us (including nobs ) to follow the rules and validate/revalidate the data once it is in our local database before a profile is contributed to the master database. The contribution system is built upon faith, you know. We do have the voting system inplace which provide some aid in capturing bad profiles/data... |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xyrano: Quote:
First of all, my request was about cast data and cast data only! Okey? Sorry for extending your idea, but I thought that crew data would make sense too. Quoting xyrano: Quote:
Second, for assurance, step 2 in my request could be broken down even further... say the list returned, beside being able to preview the cast data itself, it could also include a link to the contribution notes, per title. That would sertainly give me ensurance as to what kind of status the data has before I decide to import it to my local database.
Third, the "query dialog" itself, would not be editable, e.g. this risk of poluting cast data with say... external data, would be zero. It's an open secret that the maindatabase is polluted by third party material that's why tools as the Credit Lookup are of such a limited value. The contribution notes are of even less value, will you believe it, hardly noone writes that he just contributed an IMDB carbon copy. All data is always taken from the DVD credits and the uncredited cast was accurately identified (that's why you scarcely get time-codes  ) All I tried to say with my former postings, was that because of this known flaws your idea needs some prearrangements before it can be successfully launched. Even if you don't bother about contributing to the main database, others will. Quoting xyrano: Quote:
Fourth, and I'm feeling a bit "off topic" now , it is still up to each and every one of us (including nobs ) to follow the rules and validate/revalidate the data once it is in our local database before a profile is contributed to the master database. The contribution system is built upon faith, you know. We do have the voting system inplace which provide some aid in capturing bad profiles/data... So what? Faith is what you want to be true. The facts say that this faith/trust gets abused on a regular basis. That's why the contribution forum is full of change requests for obviously false data that in an ideal world wouldn't have slipped through. But to cut a long story short: The way you wanted this feature it is not needed, because it's already included into the main program. I don't see any need to make the multiplication of false data easier than necessary. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | While I can see where this request would simplify a procedure that is already available in some form, I share Skip's fear of making thing a bit too easy for the casual, less concerning user. If someone has to go through a couple of extra steps to update his local profile, he is more likely to take care in doing so before he tries to "share" it with the community. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xyrano: Quote:
Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab -> Import a cast list directly from the master database.
A "Import cast" button on the Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab.
1. When clicked, the action would open a new dialog (lets call it query dialog) and it would also query the master database and return a list matching the title being edited.
2. The user can select a title from that list, possibly preview that cast list.
3. The user can accept the selected title with a click on a button after which the cast list from that selected title will be added to the title being edited in the local database. The user should also be able to cancel the query dialog.
4. The query dialog close and the control is returned to Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab.
What do you think? I think it's a great idea. It would help those situations when your UPC/Locality hasn't received the attention that others have. This idea is very much in line with the progress we've seen to add copy/paste functionality and most recently copy/append (beta) within the program. Other methods such as "replace" and drag and drop have improved ease of use as well. The contribution system has rules, voting, and screeners. This has greatly improved the data going into the database. I see no reason to restrict all user's access to our data out of fear that a rogue n00b might somehow take our errors and then resubmit them in such a way as to break the rules and deceive the voters and screeners. In fact, I would like to see the ability to copy from pending contributions to paste directly into the program. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 646 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
While I can see where this request would simplify a procedure that is already available in some form, I share Skip's fear of making thing a bit too easy for the casual, less concerning user. If someone has to go through a couple of extra steps to update his local profile, he is more likely to take care in doing so before he tries to "share" it with the community. Thing is, those extra steps are missplaced! Those steps that presently take up my and/or your time, should be elsewhere, for instance, in a Audit interface, complete with the rules right there in the gui, before the the data even get a wiff of the ethernet plug or anything even remotely www'ish. | | | | Last edited: by xyrano |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem is you want a shortcut and I say NO absolutely not.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting xyrano:
Quote:
Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab -> Import a cast list directly from the master database.
A "Import cast" button on the Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab.
1. When clicked, the action would open a new dialog (lets call it query dialog) and it would also query the master database and return a list matching the title being edited.
2. The user can select a title from that list, possibly preview that cast list.
3. The user can accept the selected title with a click on a button after which the cast list from that selected title will be added to the title being edited in the local database. The user should also be able to cancel the query dialog.
4. The query dialog close and the control is returned to Edit Profile dialog -> Cast tab.
What do you think?
I think it's a great idea. It would help those situations when your UPC/Locality hasn't received the attention that others have. This idea is very much in line with the progress we've seen to add copy/paste functionality and most recently copy/append (beta) within the program. Other methods such as "replace" and drag and drop have improved ease of use as well.
The contribution system has rules, voting, and screeners. This has greatly improved the data going into the database. I see no reason to restrict all user's access to our data out of fear that a rogue n00b might somehow take our errors and then resubmit them in such a way as to break the rules and deceive the voters and screeners.
In fact, I would like to see the ability to copy from pending contributions to paste directly into the program. I totally agree with that. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
The problem is you want a shortcut and I say NO absolutely not.
Skip This is a feature request forum. Requests are adressed to Ken who will say yes or no. I do not think that an ordinary user has to say yes or no. He may agree or disagree, of course, and give his ideas, but he has not to say NO. | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
The problem is you want a shortcut and I say NO absolutely not.
Skip
This is a feature request forum. Requests are adressed to Ken who will say yes or no. I do not think that an ordinary user has to say yes or no. He may agree or disagree, of course, and give his ideas, but he has not to say NO. Ummm...yes, no/agree, disagree. Same/Same. By saying NO, Skip expressed his disagreement with the OPs feature request, which he is well within his rights to do. It appears to me that you, on the other hand, are attempting to suppress his right to express his disagreement. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Surfeur51 Quote:
... He may agree or disagree, of course, and give his ideas, ... Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
... It appears to me that you, on the other hand, are attempting to suppress his right to express his disagreement. I think that for you, everything that I write must be contradicted... | | | | Images from movies |
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