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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhayley taylor
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I was very surprised to find that a user who didn't own a title can still vote on it.
This does not make sense to me, how can you verfiy anything if you do not posess the disc or case??
In theory, you could put every single title from the database on your wishlist, and have the right to vote on everything.
Unless Ken is sanctioning 'policing' of titles, peoples wishlists should be as genuine as their collections.

Surely this can't be right (no Airplane jokes here), there must be users voting without verifying anything at all?

Simple poll here, maybe it only seems illogical to just myself...
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I was very surprised to find that a user who didn't own a title can still vote on it.
This does not make sense to me, how can you verfiy anything if you do not posess the disc or case??
In theory, you could put every single title from the database on your wishlist, and have the right to vote on everything.
Unless Ken is sanctioning 'policing' of titles, peoples wishlists should be as genuine as their collections.

Surely this can't be right (no Airplane jokes here), there must be users voting without verifying anything at all?

Simple poll here, maybe it only seems illogical to just myself...


You can still determine if the rules are being followed or not.
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Yes... on some of the stuff you can still easily vote following the rules. That is how I work it at least... I only vote on things that I can tell by looking atb it if the rules are being followed.
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Agree with Pete and Erik. There are many things you can vote for properly even if you don't have the title in hand.

Like most others I will vote on some issues from titles in my wishlist but those I am not sure of I simply vote neutral.

EDIT:  I will freely admit that I do not take the disc and verify everything I vote on. I don't know how anyone can. Even with only 1400 titles (including wishlist) I have around 10 to 15 profiles a day to vote on. If someone says "cast copied from end credits" then I believe them. Especially if they are a submitter I know and trust.
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I hear what you are saying guys, but I still feel this could be abused, with users piling titles on their wishlist for reasons other than what it was designed for.
So I will stick to my side of the fence and respect yours
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How can you tell? 

I can add any DVD to my owned list ant any time.

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Sure, you can add any DVD to your owned list I guess if you've got that strange of a personality that you feel the need to vote on everything.  I would think most people would want to keep an actual inventory of their DVDs.

It only makes sense to vote on DVDs that are in your Owned list.  The Ordered and Wishlists should not be included.  Some people seem to take advantage of this and add thousands of DVDs to their Wishlist it seems for the sole reason to keep tabs on what people are contributing and voting on.  Yes, that's pure speculation, but I honestly couldn't imagine maintaining a list like that of DVDs I'm hoping to own some day.  Seems a little crazy to me, but that's just my opinion.
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Just because someone owns a particular DVD doesn't mean his vote will be necessarily any less error-prone than if he only has the title in his wishlist.  I don't validate each and every field on the DVDs I own.  If I were to do that, I wouldn't need anybody else's contribution.
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Richie:

Since you set it up so beautifully. If you call me Shirley again I will so slap you.

Thanks for the chuckle.

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I agree, Richie. We do not need any policemen around here. Real life is though enough already.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCaroline
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Personally, I have voted on a couple of items in my on order list but it has been information that is verifiable or something that is obviously contrary to the rules such as an image for which the UPC/EAN does not match. I generally do not have a wish list as it becomes too cumbersome to control.
I do, however, feel that if the information is verifiable it can be voted on.
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I can see both sides of this argument, both valid, both raising concerns, and rightfully so.

It's true that there are users out there that have wishlists even exceeding their owned lists, and some of them are actually contributing to such profiles as well without owning the disc at all. Others are actually keeping tabs on voting patterns of users by following their votes through an enourmous wishlist allowing for collecting data. Some might even abuse their voting privileges because they vote wrong on submissions, because they can not verify certain aspects of data entered without actually owning the DVD.

All of the above are arguments for limiting voting rights to titles in the owned list.

It's a nice idea, or at least it was until V 3.0 came out.

While even back in the days at IVS there was nothing keeping users from adding all kinds of titles to their owned list (and by that allowing them to vote even if we did have a limited voting privilege), back then this would have messed up keeping track of the actual owned collection of a user.

Not anymore: with DVDP 3.x's ability to run several dbs at the same time, there's no problem in setting up a db containing ALL available titles just so you can vote without changing your "regular" collection db.

Plus, everyone from the Finnish userbase surely was very thankful for the ability to vote on titles you don't own back in the days of Trinitron, as are others as well. Sometimes, you have no other chance to preserve good data by calling on others willing to help that don't actually own the title.

After weighing the arguments and the given the addition of multi-db functionality, I see no point in disallowing voting on unowned titles. You can bypass this easily and it is needed at times.
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Quoting richierich:
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I hear what you are saying guys, but I still feel this could be abused, with users piling titles on their wishlist for reasons other than what it was designed for.


True; but anyone who wanted to do this could just as easily add titles to his/her Owned list and do it even if the Wishlist voting was banned.

IMO stopping wishlist voting is therefore without benefit and will more than likely result in updates going through (due to non-voting) that are incorrect and would otherwise have been stopped.
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Quoting richierich:
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I was very surprised to find that a user who didn't own a title can still vote on it.
This does not make sense to me, how can you verfiy anything if you do not posess the disc or case??
In theory, you could put every single title from the database on your wishlist, and have the right to vote on everything.


Just like right now, there are several submissions that say...

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Another contributon via the XML file downloaded from tomgaines site.

http://www.tom-gaines.de/

Again, I don't own this DVD so I can't validate these credits, so I'll let you decide if they are correct or not.


Is it against the rules? I believe so. Or I might be incorrect in that reasoning.

I mean, I know about Tom's site and the stuff there, but how can you really make a submission using this data without having the DVD to back it up?
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It looks like some people just like to be smarta..., I have seen users with up to 5000 DVD's on their wish list.

If you don't have the DVD to check, you should not be able to vote.

Putting DVD's you don't own to your owned list would pretty much ruin that list, so I think the misuse issue should be much smaller here.

You own it, you vote.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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If you don't have the DVD to check, you should not be able to vote.

I do not agree at all.

I can give you a simple example where it absolutely makes sense to vote for a title in your wish list. As you know, we have a project for cleaning up the database in the German profiler forum: Someone spots a profile with a fake UPC or a bootleg and sends in an update with "Screener: Delete this profile" etc. to mark it for deletion. He tells other users about this update who vote "Yes" to indicate that it is indeed an incorrect profile.

It is obviously impossible to "own" a DVD with a fake UPC in the profile, yet it makes sense to vote for an update of this profile.
Michael
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